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Djuna
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You may have heard (don't know if it's newsworthy across the pond) that the debate of gay adoption has been ongoing in Britain.
New legislation was being drafted, saying that gay couples are equal to straight couples when it comes to rights to adopt.
The problem is that the Catholic Church threatened to close all its adoption agencies if it was forced to accpet applications from gay couples. And they were backed up by the Muslims, no less.
(For those who might don't know, homosexuality is considered by the Church to be 'severely disorded' behaviour, as is masturbation, and I could go on).
Anyway, the government have pushed the bill through as planned, with no exemptions for the Catholic Church.
You know what I hear? Is senior clerics saying, 'Please... it's us, and we should be allowed to be bigoted and incite hatred.'
In fact, a few weeks ago, an elderly Catholic couple, on seeing gay rights leaflets on display, asked to put leaflets claiming homosexuality is evil beside them. They were told that they couldn't, and there was quite a heated argument about 'freedom of expression' etc (which Britons are not legally entitled to, they just expect to get it anyway). A policeman was sent to their house that evening to explain that gay-bashing (for want of a better word) is not acceptable in our country. And quite right too.
No, this couple tried to sue the people that wouldn't let them display leaflets, and made a complaint about the policeman.
Of course, they were thrown straight out of court, with the judge saying something to the effect of, bigotry isn't what we do in Britain, now get out of my courtroom before I arrest you for inciting hatred.
But in both the two cases I have described, I have been amazed at the number of people taking the side of the bigoted pigs who are speaking out against homosexuality!
People never cease to amaze me...

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Heather
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That's just so, so depressing.

Not at all shocking, but still depressing all the same.

(Forgive me being provocative, but interesting they didn't bar the gates to the priesthood once it became clear that rapists and molestors could unknowingly -- or knowingly, depending on how much faith you put in the church -- become priests, but by all means, close the adoption agencies once all of us queers want in with honesty.)

But how fantastic that the bill went through well, and bigotry of this hue wasn't given room. And good for that judge.

[ 02-01-2007, 06:28 PM: Message edited by: Heather ]

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Djuna
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Actually of the 2 parishes in our town, the old preist at the one I didn't go to was convicted of paedophilia.
Also, this is even more significant than it seems - it's the end of at least an 900-year(ish) history of the Church bossing us around and getting its own way, ever since the Crusades.
The sad fact is, racism and bigotry are very much alive in Britain, because we live in an unofficial segregated society - that is there's Asian districts of London, and Muslim parts. Not just everyone mixed in.

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mizchastain
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This may be OT, but I saw a related story on the BBC website about how business owners (owners of hotels, B&Bs and the like, IIRC) belonging to the same religious groups were campaigning to be allowed to refuse service to gay couples. I was literally staring open-mouthed at the screen, thinking "Why the HELL are you marching in the streets to be allowed to tell people to stop giving you money?!"

Might be my capitalist side speaking, but why the hell would they care who's giving them the money as long as it's still money?

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Djuna
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Well surely these protests are pointless, aren't they? Don't business owners have the right to refuse service to anyone?
(Not saying they should have, but if they do, the above becomes simply a gay hate march).

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Light
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Smileyjoseph, the priest was convicted of being a pedophile? Is that a crime in Briton? I don't mean to troll or anything, but I thought that you could only be convicted of molesting children or child pornography. If you could be convicted of paedophila, that would be thoughtcrime, since it is impossible to tell if a person is a pedophile if they don't act on it.
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Irm
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Light, I think it's fairly obvious that smileyjoseph meant ACTIONS of pedophilia. : P

But for crying out loud... Let's punish the CHILDREN for our prejudices by closing shop and skyrocketing the number of non-adopted children even higher!

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King Joey
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I cant seem to come to a conclusion on this item, i currently study politics (of both UK and US) at A level, i was also raised chatholic, however i no longer class myself as one.

I can see why Chatholics do not wish to allow gay couples to adopt as it is against their teachings.

I dont see why gay people would wish to adopt from a chatholic orphanage in the first place, as the chatholic faith is so against homosexuality.

I think Tony Blair is trying (and failing) to please everyone. After all he is in the last year of his premirship, and he is trying to make a name for himself.

Please dont miss read this post as "gay bashing" I accept gay people as much as anyone else i meet, however i do think the Chatholic church has the right to preserve its traditions and values.

It is worth noting that Tony Blair has given the Chatholic church 21 months to get used to the idea, this will be long after he has stepped down, so maybe it is his plan to leave an angry electorate to Gorden Brown, either way I shall not be voting labour come the next general election [Big Grin]

I get the feeling that if Blair had just left things alone there wouldn't all this controversy.

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bluefreak44
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Okay Joey, you may me less nervous about being here (since I'm not alone).

Since the Catholic Church is a religious institution, I agree that they should be allowed more discretion. Again though, that also kinda depends on how much government funding they receive.

But I also agree with RedGoddess's point. I have fairly conservative views (I'll just leave it at that; don't want to stir up an unrelated topic), but I think it would be better for a child to be raised by same-sex parents than to not be adopted at all. That just doesn't make sense to me.

I also wonder why homosexual parents are singled out so much. For example, from a Catholic perspective, there are other things that parents can do "wrong" as well. What if the parents use contraception? *gasp* Are they going to investigate to make sure that both parents waited to have sex until they were married? Don't want those "promiscuous" view potentially forced on the children. Should they also make sure they don't curse, attend church regularly, tithe, etc...all the other things that good Christians are supposed to do?

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