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-Lauren-
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This is a mere rant. I am outraged.

According to this article;

http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=4928287

Sex toys are already banned in 4 states, and South Carolina could be next on the list.

I am shocked. I didn't even know there was such legislation. What excuse could they possibly give for exerting that sort of control over people's lives? What message does this send women? When does the government start installing cameras in our bedrooms?

How dare they?

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that is so effed up!! its already bad enough that we can consent to partnered sex at 16 (in most places) but can't buy sex toys for masterbation until we're 18! that makes absolutely no sense. what is this world coming to? (no pun intended... ok, a little intended.)

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Actually, sex toys in this case are banned for everybody, even adults. That's significantly more "effed up".
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Yep, such it is. As far as how it effects women, well... come on: the sex toy industry would go out of business if it only sold "pocket p*****s".

I don't know WHAT the hell their argument is, besides, "WE think it's morally wrong, and therefore we will force our beliefs upon you." I mean, usually they can think up some BS excuse of how it's "harming" us and we need to be "protected from ourselves", but in this instance I can't think of an excuse under the heavens that would even begin to make sense. "We have to outlaw dildos because they promote cervical bruising"? I don't know.

It's all very basic control methods and brainwashing, anyhow. Hopefully the men in the black coats won't come for me because I'm saying this, but if you want to CONTROL a population full of people, here's what you do:

*You restrict their education. (Hmm... Why does this site exist again?)
*You rally them into excitement about violence and war, which is something more easily accomplished when you:
*Bind their sexuality.

Soon we'll all be wearing virginity sashes around our waists. Oh wait... don't we have rings for that? Hmm. I wonder if George Orwell was precognitive, or just really apt at looking into the past.

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oOo Lea oOo
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quote:
If the bill passes selling sex toys would be a felony. The punishment would be five years in prison and/or a $10,000 fine.
These people have got to be out of their minds! I mean really, c'mon!

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A bill by Upstate Representative Ralph Davenport would make it illegal to sell devices used for sexual stimulation.

Davenport admits he doesn't even know what a sex toy is. Nor does he have a strong opinion about them. The bill, he says, will help the people he represents.

What the hell!? Ya don't like them, use them, or even 'know what they are' so why would you care?

You don't want to use toys for stimulation. Simple. Don't!

But making them illegal? Ridiculous!

Massage lotions and creams . . 'Woah! Naughty! (?) Make them illegal because people are using them for sexual purposes and that is just bad, bad, bad. '


Whats next? Lube? Condoms? We have already heard about condoms being locked into cabinets and some stores not even selling them (although I think that is more of a 'theft' issue . . but still)

You hear people everywhere saying 'don't have sex. Wait until you're married . . blah blah'

They already have age of consent laws (which I'm not complaining about).

Are they going to pass a bill that says, "You cannot have sex until you are married. And if you do, you are sentenced to 5 years in prison or have to pay a '$10,000' dollar fine."

Man, sex would be pretty expensive.

I'm betting divorce lawyers would be making loads of money though.

It seems to be working its way through the line. How long will it take to come to Virginia?

I guess I'd better start stocking up!

What happens when sex toys get banned everywhere?

You'll see me on the front page of the paper. "20 year old female resident from Winchester, Virginia, sentenced to 5 years in prison . . . for smuggling dildos"

[ 06-16-2006, 09:25 AM: Message edited by: oOo Lea oOo ]

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Haha, beautiful: The article says:
"and other things we won't repeat."

Shows a bit of bias. Anyways, I am once again rejoycing that I was lucky enough to be born in Canada.

There is something interesting. The ban doesn't appear to be on possessing them - but selling them. Would border patrols stop them? What penalties are there for possession? How long do you have to dispose of your current sex toys?

Also, I'd say it all depends on what sort of sex toys you use. I mean, much of what I would consider a sex toy is also something you can use for a heck of a lot of other purposes. Will they ask when you are buying rope why you want it, for example?

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Well, they might do something along the lines of this:

In Pennsylvania, it is illegal to buy and/or use fireworks. So stores in Maryland, Delaware, New Jersey, Ohio, New York, etc... all have notices that they cannot sell fireworks to PA residents. They ask you for ID to check your address.

Notice they're not outlawing porn, though---which is geared mostly to heterosexual men. And (from my informal, extremely biased AIM buddy list survey).. the majority of people who have used or have interest in using dildos, creams, etc.... are gay and straight women and my gay male friends.

But I heart Red's comment. It reminds me of something I read--wasn't there a group going around moving Orwell's 1984 from the Fiction section to the Current Events/History section?


Anyway, it didn't say in the article, but what about Good Vibrations' website, or Smitten Kitten or something? Would the postal service go through "suspicious" packages?

Ooh, and what about detachable shower heads with adjustable water pressure, etc? A friend of mine is very fond of hers. *wink wink*

[ 06-16-2006, 04:05 PM: Message edited by: origami_jane ]

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I researched the topic a little more, because I can't believe legislation already passed in other states about this, and found this news article about the Alabama ban:

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_307613.html

It's got some good criticism about the ban:

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The majority opinion stated the U.S. Constitution does not include a right to sexual privacy. True, but not the way the judges suggest...The right of sexual privacy is not listed, but neither are your rights to marry, have children or do almost anything you want whenever you want. Unless otherwise addressed in those documents, you are free to live as you wish, but do not interfere with another's rights.
And throws in the wording of the legislation, and their justification for the ban:

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Alabama argued its sex-toy ban " ... and related orgasm stimulating paraphernalia is rationally related to a legitimate legislative interest in discouraging prurient interests in autonomous sex." And that "it is enough for a legislature to reasonably believe that commerce in the pursuit of orgasms by artificial means for their own sake is detrimental to the health and morality of the State."

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Hmmm. Not only is that a huge infringement upon personal rights, but its not very smart economically.
The only things I can see coming out of this are people finding ways to avoid the law and/or making their own sex toys. The latter could cause some sanitation and health issues.

[ 06-16-2006, 06:24 PM: Message edited by: ax50607 ]

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How is discouraging autonomous sex a legitimate interest!? I think Jane's point is very astute, that this ban is not aimed at discouraging heterosexual men from anything (not saying that heterosexual men don't use sex toys, but they certainly aren't the biggest customers).

You know, I wonder how the legislators supporting this would feel about legislation banning the sale of firearms. For some reason, I think we'd hear a lot from them about how it's their right to keep dangerous weapons in their home. It's only harmless sex toys that cause problems in society. (Even if you support the right to own guns, you have to see how incredibly hypocritical this is).

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quote:
Originally posted by Beppie:
How is discouraging autonomous sex a legitimate interest!? I think Jane's point is very astute, that this ban is not aimed at discouraging heterosexual men from anything (not saying that heterosexual men don't use sex toys, but they certainly aren't the biggest customers).

You know, I wonder how the legislators supporting this would feel about legislation banning the sale of firearms. For some reason, I think we'd hear a lot from them about how it's their right to keep dangerous weapons in their home. It's only harmless sex toys that cause problems in society. (Even if you support the right to own guns, you have to see how incredibly hypocritical this is).

Who ARE the biggest customers. I mean, statistically?

I'm sure plenty of married, heterosexual couples buy and use sex toys, too. And I doubt the legislators of this bill intended to target these people. But they are

[ 06-16-2006, 07:36 PM: Message edited by: ax50607 ]

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And you wonder why education, universal health care, programs for the financially disadvantaged and all the rest go on the back burner? It's because we've got super-important sex-toy legislation that needs immediate attention! Even though the guy backing the legislation doesn't quite know what a sex toy actually is.

And, you know, since "the pursuit of orgasms by artificial means for their own sake is detrimental to the health and morality of the State." Last time I checked, I don't have orgasms for, er, something else's sake (right? I mean, I think I'd know), regardless of whether it's a vibrating pink plastic dolphin or my boyfriend who's doing it.

But seriously, what frightens me about this is the fact that they're putting aside so many other more important issues to specifically go after something like sex toys. Like it's any of their business whether you use sex toys, unless it involves bestiality or child porn.

I truly wonder what they're going to attempt to legislate next. It does say "a bill by Upstate Representative Ralph Davenport would make it illegal to sell devices used for sexual stimulation."

So no more bananas? Handheld personal massagers, vibrating showerheads? And stuff like massage oil and lotion...they do know that there are people who actually use those things to massage people and moisturize their skin, right? What's next, no more moisturizers sold at Wal-Mart? I need my Vaseline Intensive Care! What about people who use feathers for sexual stimulation, or back scratchers, or ice cubes, or ballpoint pen caps...the list goes ON AND ON. I don't get how this can possibly work.

But knowing the climate of those areas in general, they'll probably FIND a way for it to work. And yes, it is funny indeed that while they're bothering with sex toys, they're not outlawing porn, which is an industry full of misdeeds against the women (and oftentimes men) who create them.

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The government and can't governate and manage a nation by their religous beliefs, all those businesses and companies will go down, if you look at it, it can also hurt the government's economical status. Basically, what they're doing is creating a prohibition of sex, utterly this is so messed up later all kind of things like condoms, sex toys, pornography or anything like that would be banned. It would create dissaster by sex not being safe, therefore inffecting more people wth STD's. Imagine havnig no options for sex exploration it's madness!

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Some of these bans aren't new at all. I remember writing a piece for a mag on the Alabama ban in 1999.

The biggest buyers of sex toys are currently women, and have been for quite some time. So yes, this isn't about decency, or about safety, it's about doing what one can to assure that women don't learn to enjoy sex that isn't heterosexual, vaginal intercourse.

And in that way, you bet your rump they intend to impact, quite directly, heterosexual couples: in fact, you can be sure that the legislators who enact these laws are the men IN heterosexual couples. Presuming that it's in their interest for their wives to be sexually satisfied -- or rather, that they feel it is -- is a flawed presumption.

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Irm
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"Presuming that it's in their interest for their wives to be sexually satisfied -- or rather, that they feel it is -- is a flawed presumption."

Oh pah, pish-posh. Who cares about the sexual satisfaction of women ANYHOW?

A lot of slippery-slope comments in this thread. The idea that this puritan push could soon impact condoms actually doesn't seem too far off. After all, they're already going after hormonal birth control, so clearly they have no interest in the anti-pregnancy functions of the condom. However, no nation wants to be disease-ridden either, so it is my best guess that the next step would be to make condoms prescription only: you can buy condoms IF you have a condition that can be spread sexually.

I don't understand why they don't just go ahead and outlaw the vagina.

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I don't understand why they don't just go ahead and outlaw the vagina.

Or at least to outlaw a woman's ownership of her vagina-- I think these people want every vagina to have "property of husband" culturally tattooed on it.

[ 06-19-2006, 05:46 PM: Message edited by: Beppie ]

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What was their reasoning for doing this again? To stop people from hurting themselves? For the betterment of society and state? How is it going to help anybody to not sell sex toys? Last time I checked, banks aren't held up at dildo point, and I've never seen a news report on a drive-by vibrating. Besides, if someone were going to use a sex toy of some kind in the act of rape, I doubt that they're going to care very much about having to smuggle it in from out of state.
Is there anyone who can be written to about this ridiculousness? Someone with a voice in wherever this bill is being voted on?

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The trouble with state issues like this is that generally, feedback from anyone who isn't a state resident -- read: can't re-elect the officials seeking the ban and continued votes -- tends to be totally ignored.

So, those in the states with bans and proposed bans can contact their state representatives/governors. Sending in clear, well-writeen letters via post or calling the offices usually nets the best results.

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Bring on Al Capone Jr and his 'buzz barons'! Seriously, the US government is pretty f**ked up recently. It seems for the past few years under Bush all they've got to show for their efforts is millions homeless, thousands deprived of orgasms and thousands dead in Iraq. Oh and the Japanese President doing a singing tour of America with George Bush. Seriously, men get their foreskins forcibly removed at birth in some states as I understand it and soon we'll have 'hymen reinforcement' to make sex impossible until marriage. As if blackmailing the nation's youth into joining True Love Waits wasn't enough. I'm not as aware of how things happen in America, but in good old Britain most of my friends who are sexually active are so because they are in love. Certainly they feel ready - and the Catholic Church the American government seems determined to impose on everyone promotes 'the individual's conscience as paramount' (although obviously not sexual conscience)!
Clearly, we are allowed moral and religious freedoms but not sexual freedom, which is arguably a combination of the 2 from the government viewpoint.
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This is ridiculous.

I'm only fifteen. This has me terrified to live in America, where things like birth control and f***ing dildos are under fire by the government.

Do you think it's a coincidence that America is one of the most religious industrialized countries, yet has the highest rate of teen pregnancy than any other industrialized country?

I think I'll move in with the Brits, Smiley.

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You know, when I hear things like this, it makes me feel pretty darn un-patriotic. And it's July 4th for heaven's sake.

This country used to stand for some pretty good things. Life, Liberty, Pursuit of Happiness? Anyone remember about those...?

Pursuit of Happiness? I wonder if you could argue that masturbation is protected by the constitution as a pursuit of happiness? I certainly would put it in that category. And anyone arguing that it has negative effects in this day and age is seriously misinformed and/or in denial. And yet some people do... Good God...

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This is interesting: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3032871.stm

Gives a little snippet of a similar argument going on in the UK. An argument about not being allowed to advertise sex-toy shop job vacancies in job search centers.

That gives a good idea of where the UK and US are respectively on these kinds of issues.

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