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http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/05/18/sci-tech/pill_morning040518

Yup, it's looking like the regulatory body for health matters in this country is going to allow pharmacists to sell the morning-after pill to women who don't have prescriptions. Of course, the reasoning is that the sooner you use it after unprotected sex, the better the chances are that it will work properly.

This decision means that women will have to ask the pharmacist on duty for the pill. Then, the pharmacist will break down most of the issues around the MAP for them.

Some groups, feminist ones notably, want the pharmacist's role eliminated. They say that the MAP should be available on the shelves, like painkillers. Other groups, notably anti-abortion ones, say that the MAP shouldn't be available without a prescription.

In the United States (someone correct me if I'm wrong) I understand that a ruling came down fairly recently which would bar pharmacists from giving/selling the MAP to women without prescriptions.

What's the best approach here? How readily available do you think the MAP should be?

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i think that is a good idea because it can lower the number of unwanted pregnancie thanks for sharing that article!
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more about emergency contraception over the counter and its ramifications: http://www.scarleteen.com/forum/Forum8/HTML/000762.html

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I think that this is the first step to something good. Although, I like the system in the UK (see the "OTC Plan B" topic listed above). I think that morning-after should be available over the counter and I think that there is little chnce of someone injuring themselves with it. People are taught in most first-world countries that more medicine than you are told to take can really mess you up... bad. So, if someone ODs on it (this may sound really insensitive, but it's what I think) then they are worthy of a Darwin Award.
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Just so there's no confusion: while OTC does in fact stand for "over the counter", most drugs (ie: Codeine and now the MAP) that are OTC still need to be requested of the pharmacist for, and usually accompanied with a talking to. The MAP isn't going to be on the shelves next to the Aspirin and Anbesol. Perhaps 'behind the counter' would have been a more apt expression.
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This is terrible! I cannot believe that doctors and pharmicists are allowing people to be this irresponsible! This over the counter morining after pill is another step in allowing people to be less reponsible for their actions. yes it will help unwanted pregnencies, but if people dont want children then maybe they shouldnt be having sex, especialy unwanted sex. And dont even get me started on the pill. the pill is a terrible way to kill babies, do you know what happens to babies if they die? They go to pergatory, they are never ever allowed to go to heaven. This has ruined the rest of my day, I wont be able to think about anything else now!
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This is terrible! I cannot believe that doctors and pharmicists are allowing people to be this irresponsible! This over the counter morining after pill is another step in allowing people to be less reponsible for their actions. yes it will help unwanted pregnencies, but if people dont want children then maybe they shouldnt be having sex, especialy unwanted sex. And dont even get me started on the pill. the pill is a terrible way to kill babies, do you know what happens to babies if they die? They go to pergatory, they are never ever allowed to go to heaven. This has ruined the rest of my day, I wont be able to think about anything else now!
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how_it_could_be :

Scarleteen is and always will be pro choice.

Morning after pill is not "killing any babies", it actually prevents either the implantation of a zygote in the lining or the womb, or prevents the sperm fertilising the egg.

The views you have expressed are unhelpful, offensive, and certainly not representative of a lot of the users and the volounteers at Scarleteen.

We would ask you to respect the sensitivity of this subject, and the stance scarleteen takes on these issues.

I would love to know what religion teaches about babies going to limbo. Christianity(the main religion that would have taught about purgatory, using that term) abolished that idea a long time ago.

and also, "unwanted sex" is considered rape, and no one chooses to be raped, whether they are ready to have babies or not.

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(Er--I'm pretty sure that Catholicism still teaches that unbaptized babies [which in their view would include aborted fetuses] go to limbo. just FYI.)
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MarvellousPurple, I thought the same thing as you did, so I poked around on a few Catholic websites to see what the current stance is on limbo; it seems that while the Catechism still says that baptism is necessary, it seems that other theologians have been arguing that salvation should extend to those who were unbaptized, and had no use of reason (ie: to decide to be baptized on their own, etc.) So technically, the official stance is limbo, but many clergy seemed to have deviated from that idea, because it seemed to bleak to their parishes.
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I am truely sorry for what i said yesterday. From what i was taught and believe with all my heart is that the pill and the morning pill is a terrible thing. I have been taught that if you are going to take that chance and have unprotected sex, then you should be willing to take the chance of having a baby. its like taking responsibility for your actions, not just throughing them in a closet and pretending that it never happened. I really am sorry for what i said, i just could not believe how the views of people are so different from what ive been taught. And yes, i am catholic, and the babies that are aborted do go to either limbo or pergatory, depending on how old they are, reason being is the catholic religion says that every human being is born with original sin, and when we are baptized, its like accepting the fact that jesus died to save us and the water being poured on us is pure making us pure.
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(as per the limbo thing: i went to catholic school for 13 years..and our religion teacher who was a nun told us the church more or less abandoned the limbo theory. that's where i got it from.)

anyway, back to the topic!


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quote:
Originally posted by how_it_could_be:
the babies that are aborted do go to either limbo or pergatory, depending on how old they are

You're still stating this like it is indisputable fact. It isn't, it's not the kind of thing that can be proved right or wrong, and it isn't what I and many others believe. It's what you believe, which you have every right to, but I don't like the way you said it. I would prefer it if you would preface such remarks with something like "I believe.....", or "My church teaches that....".

And you're more likely to get to stay on these boards to debate the issues if you do that.......


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quote:
Originally posted by Londongirl:
You're still stating this like it is indisputable fact.

Easy, tiger. She said it in response to a previous poster's background about Catholic beliefs, and included the words "the catholic religion says" in there. While I'm quite certain this is not a view many of the rest of us share, I'd rather we not sink into spring-loaded antagonism just yet.

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OK, sorry How_it_could_be, I'm not here to make anyone being reasonable feel like they've had their head bitten off. The last sentence was a bit long, I've read it again, and see that it could be interpreted differently. What can I say, this atheist was having a bad morning and mistakenly thought her views were being attacked again. Sorry.

I get that you were making amends in this latest post for what you said previously. Thank you for the apology to those of us with differnt beliefs from yours, hope you can accept mine.

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In response to all of this, I think it's a good idea to make the morning-after pill available in Canada.

I feel I have to make a point here, so bear with me

Just because they are making the pill available does not mean that the people who might use it will become any more or less responsible for their actions. Of course there are some who will become more and less responsible, but the vast majority are not going to go "Oh, we can get the morning after pill OTC now, we can have sex whenever we want and without protection and not have to worry!" (Mind you, that's just to make my point!!) The pill is there for accidental pregnancies, not to give people a reason to have sex without worry.


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quote:
From what i was taught and believe with all my heart is that the pill and the morning pill is a terrible thing. I have been taught that if you are going to take that chance and have unprotected sex, then you should be willing to take the chance of having a baby.

Well, the thing about the morning after pill is that many (probably most) people who use were using protection, it simply failed, or the sex was unwanted. Do people occasionally use it for birth control? I'm sure they do, but I really don't think that's the majority of users. For example, I personally have no intention whatsoever of having a child anytime soon, but it doesn't stop me from being sexually active--I just use protection religiously. However, if it failed, you can be sure I'd hightail it to get the MAP, and I really don't think that makes me irresponsible. Accidents happen.

The only other thing is that birth control pills simply prevent contraception by not allowing eggs to be released (and if they're not released, they can't be fertilized).

Also, sorry for being wrong about limbo. Last time I asked a Catholic about abortion and what happens to the fetuses that was the answer I got.


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Just to make things clear on a practical level.

Birth control pills cannot "kill" babies, because when the pill is taken correctly, conception cannot occur at all. Oral contraceptives work by PREVENTING ovulation, or eggs from being released at all. In other words, all the eggs that are in a woman's ovaries at birth, which are normally released one month at a time, aren't while a woman is on the pill. Nothing is happening to them -- in fact, even the ova aren't being destroyed, they still lie in wait in there, whenever a woman discontinues the pill.

The MAP, or morning-after-pill works by preventing feretilization, conception, or implantation. Becoming pregnant is actually a pretty involved process that takes quite a few days. if a woman HAS become pregnant, then the morning after pill will not work: it only works when full conception has NOT happened yet.

Per discussions on responsibility, it might be worth considering a few things. Setting aside rape and abuse, as well as those who use birth control or for whom birth control has not failed, if and when pregnancy occurs, the idea that being responsible is merely having a baby is pretty limited. How many infants, children and adolescents are neglected or abused every day, even in, say, Catholic homes? How many go without things which they need and are vital? How many don't get the essential nutrition and care they need as children, to the point that their quality of life and health is vastly compromised as adults? How many babies born all around the globe -- including in the US, which has one of the highest infant mortality rates in the world, despite being a rich country -- die painful, and sometimes very drawn-out deaths because of hunger or illness parents can't afford to treat? WAY too many to count. How might being unable to provide those things -- and knowing you are, and thus knowing you CANNOT be responsible for a child, in full, not merely via birth -- and thus opting out of bringing a child into the world on that basis, knowing ofr feeling that what is responsible is not doing that at all, work into some of these views, whether we're talking about preventing pregnancy in the first place or about abortion?

(It should perhaps be mentioned that a great many women who use birth control methods and abortion procedures are Catholic.)

Moreover, how might the idea that sex is ONLY for people -- or more accurately -- women who want children be oppressive, sexist or heterosexist, not to mention completely dismissive of how human sexuality works?

Just some food for thought.

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