As some of you may have heard, a 12-year old boy in the U.S. state of Ohio was suspended for three days starting today, for bringing a copy of the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue to school. The school board says he violated a policy on possession of lewd or suggestive material. The boy's mother says that the punishment is too much because the magazine is not equivalent to Playboy, Hustler or Penthouse.
I'd be curious to know if someone complained about this. If they did, then I might be a little bit more inclined to side with the school. If no one complained however, I think they should have just let it be.
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I think he deserves punishment if (theoretically, I don't know the story) he brought it to school for the sole purpose of passing it around for other boys to ogle and made his classmates uncomfortable (which I'm sure he did), especially if they were offended enough to complain. But then again, when I was twelve we used donated cosmos, muscle mags and sports illustrateds to make collages, so I'm not exactly familiar with the policies at other schools.
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has anyone else actually seen this issue of SI???
while you didn't see vulvas or nipples and other standard contraband fare, the models weren't really wearing their swimsuits. This year's SI swimsuit issue was definitely not appropriate for 12-year-old to have in his possession, and it definitely wasn't appropriate for school.
I agree with his punishment. If there are going to be cases where children go up for expulsion hearings for bringing GI Joe toys to school, then suspending a kid for bringing a magazine that's soft core pornography is entirely fair.
on that note, had it been Maxim, Stuff, FHM, etc. he should be subject to punishment, too.
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Yup, I saw it a bit rapidly, just checking around mags.
And yes, I know you don't see anything, but yeah the kind of clothing they're wearing, isn't really made for a 12 y/o. I wouldn't go as far as calling it soft core porn, but it's suggestive, and not intended for kids, even if at the store it's placed in a place where anyone could take it.
The suspension would be justified as long as it's explained to the boy about why what he did was wrong.
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Ummm ok i agree that those pics in the magazine were abit inapropiate for 12y/o but geez i think the punishment is abit harsh!!! they could have confiscated the mag and gave detention for a month or something...... not suspension.
[This message has been edited by Jenni_05 (edited 03-17-2004).]
But wait...why exactly is it inappropriate for a 12 yr old to have an SI swimsuit mag?
(in reference to Gumdrop Girl saying this: This year's SI swimsuit issue was definitely not appropriate for 12-year-old to have in his possession,...)
Albiet, you could argue it wasn't right to have in SCHOOL, since hes supposed to be "learning" and not looking at girls in swim-suits. But why would it be wrong for a 12yr old to have porn of any kind, soft, hard, or just swimsuits?
12 is the *average*(*that was the age for me anyhow) age that kids start to explore sexually. If porn is their thing, then its their thing. Are you going to tell the 12 yr old that the thing he likes is "bad" even though thats just your opinion and not a fact. Its just as bad as telling a child masturbation is wrong/sin or telling people that abstinence is the ONLY safe sex and there is no other options.
And to go even further, what the teacher should have done is confiscate the mag, give it back to the kid at the end of the day and tell him never to bring it into school again. The teacher could have even called the perants and told them their son brought the mag in and it would be appreciated that they make sure he leaves it at home from then on...or if the teacher were liberal, s/he could have used the mag as a teaching tool to tell the kids about porn or sex or whatever, and to make an example of the child.
Sex is such a scary subject for schools. "Oh my gosh, that child is naturaly developing his sexual-self...it must be stoped!!!!"
quote:But why would it be wrong for a 12yr old to have porn of any kind, soft, hard, or just swimsuits?
Well, first, porn is illegal for people under 18 in the US. So, really, whether we agree with that or not, it's illegal and that's that.
I don't think anyone should go telling kids that SI swimsuit, etc. is necessarily bad, but I do think it's important that they not get their sexual education primarily from stuff like this--it's very idealized (see anyone over 30 or even slightly overweight in there?), not entirely fair to women (or at least i think so--i mean, not all of us love prancing around in various states of undress), and just kind of unrealistic. I don't really see the harm as long as the 12 year old understands that SI swimsuit isn't like the real world, but now I'm going off on a tangent.
I don't know that I'd agree with the suspension, particuarly if the kid didn't really know what he was getting himself into. I'd favor a confiscation and a talking-to by the principal on Why We Do Not Bring These Things Into School, but not suspension. I mean, thinking back to when I was 12, that alone would have scared the bejeesus out of me and I wouldn't have ever brought Highlights to school again, much less anything racy.
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quote:Originally posted by MarvellousPurple: (see anyone over 30 or even slightly overweight in there?(
I'm sorry to split hairs with you on this one, but I will admit I was very pleasantly surprised by this particular issue. There was a large spread devoted to some of the SI swimsuit models from years past. Several of them were over 50, and all I can say is that I hope to look half that good when I get up there!
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