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Extra, extra, read all about it!
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/11/18/gay.marriage.reut/

More here when I find more info. In the meantime: how cool!

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Washington Post online interview with Renee Landers, president of the Boston Bar Assocation: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A56818-2003Nov18.html

More general overview: http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1119/p01s02-usju.html

Reuters wire story: http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=405199§ion=news

Some discussion of what this means for gay marriage: http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20031118_874.html

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Here's our president to bring in the dark weather:
http://www.wqad.com/Global/story.asp?S=1530856

A sad time indeed.

[This message has been edited by DarkChild717 (edited 11-19-2003).]


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quote:
Originally posted by DarkChild717:
Here's our president to bring in the dark weather...

And it ain't just him. Three-fifths of this country does not support gay marriage.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2001795413_gaypoll19.html

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I'm so proud of my home state!

Bush is frustrating, but hey, what else is new? It'll be the world of gen y soon enough; maybe we can get someone a little more compassionate in office.

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Actually, a few polls have shown that Gen Y is actually more conservative as a group than their predecessors (Baby boomers and Gen Xers). Especially on topics like abortion.

i hate the term Gen Y. stupid Gen X hegemony. i demand a better name ofr my generation!!!

and it's really presumptuous to assume that
1. all young folks are liberal (even if MTV tol you so)
2. all the folks here share the same political opinions

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The truth of the matter is, "Generation Y" is pretty diverse in terms of their political affiliation (at least, that's what I've read care of an AP story carried in my local paper, the Traverse City Record Eagle -- should I find the story online, I'll pass it on.) The article, as I recall, said though, that the trend for crossing party and liberal-conservative lines is far more common for Gen Y than it was for pervious generations.

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quote:
Originally posted by BruinDan:
And it ain't just him. Three-fifths of this country does not support gay marriage.

Couple of things there, Dan. First, we can expect that somewhere down the line, the big opposition to gay marriage is going to die off. Second, in some cases - cases where people's rights are being denied - I think it's perfectly reasonable that courts go against public opinion. I'm curious, the judges that made this decision, are they elected? And, if not, who would have appointed them?

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I was just trying to say that we're coming of age now and we have some say in the matter. I don't see how I implied that everyone shares or should share my viewpoint. I think it's really presumptuous of you to assume that I get my political information from MTV.

I don't like Gen Y either, but it's better than "The Pepsi Generation" and it's convenient.


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chitarra, i was making a generic point that given the influence of things like MTV Rock the Vote, often time, people in our age bracket do get a lot of their information from sources like MTV (Do you wear boxers of briefs? oh jeebus!). it's pathetic, imho, but anyway.

the 18-24 bracket also votes in pathetically low numbers and it's on a downward slide ever since the voting age got lowered from 21. of those who do vote they're the less politically moderate ones (on either end of the spectrum).

as for what i said earlier, http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2002/09/24_youth.html

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dzuunmod - to answer your question, judges in massachusetts are not elected, they are appointed. but MA is historically a fairly liberal state, anyway.

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quote:
Originally posted by Dzuunmod:
First, we can expect that somewhere down the line, the big opposition to gay marriage is going to die off. Second, in some cases - cases where people's rights are being denied - I think it's perfectly reasonable that courts go against public opinion.

My point is not that there should be obstacles thrown in the way of homosexual marriage, it is that there will be obstacles thrown in the way of homosexual marriage because that is the will of the people.

You are right that in all likelihood the opposition will (probably literally) die off in due time, but for now there are widespread movements to enact Constitutional prohibitions of gay marriage. We will one day get to the point where people realize that there really isn't any difference between heterosexual folk and homosexual folk, but we're not there yet. Which simply means we've got to keep working at it, bit by bit.

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personally i think that you should be able to marry who you want, supposing your of legal age, and not a minor. but about the gen. stuff, im a gen y, and i think that our opinions are being affected by the other generations, and were also to stupid, or obssed with grugs sex, etc to know any better
and im conservitave, kinda, but i form my own views, and always after i get the whole story

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I'm a Capricorn. Not that being born at a certain time of year should really affect my my thoughts or morals at all, any more than what *year* I was born should. Regardless of when anyone was born, we're all capable of free thought, and able to do research and form opinions on our own. Do remember that while statistics have their place, their purpose isn't to make up our minds for us. Regardless of any generation's average politics or concerns, we still have an obligation to think for ourselves.

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Something called the American Family Association (which I've heard is an anti-gay organization) is running a poll on gay marriage which they intend to present to congress. So far the results are neck and neck...let's tip the scales, shall we?
http://www.afa.net/petitions/marriagepoll.asp

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...This is interesting. Every group I'm in, then has come up. Even more interesting, I'm a member of the AFA. For other reasons. Mostly economic, some moral, but I'm definitely against every homosexuality stance they've taken, and I've reported that to them on several occasions. I guess it's just weird having this pop up everywhere, and not just my own email inbox.
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Hey everybody, check it out:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/02/04/gay.marriage/index.html

The Mass. court says that civil unions are not sufficient, and that marriage for same sex couples is constitutional.


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Bush says:
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Marriage is a sacred institution between a man and a woman

That pretty much sums up my problem with marriage. Its 'sacred', and yet is controlled by the government. Either abolish the benefits of being married, or just seperate the idea of a civil union and a marriage. Have anyone over the age of 18, or under with a guardian's consent, beable to have civil union with whomever the hell they want (though, i would say they have to be human, at least until the klingons come to earth ) and let individual churches state what is and what is not considered, by them, to be a marriage.


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Originally posted by Touchstone:
Bush says:
quote:
Marriage is a sacred institution between a man and a woman

Poor Bush. Someone should let him know "man" and "woman" aren't anywhere near as simple as he apparently wishes.

(edit: nested quotes don't work.)

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What is really great is that unelected judges are making the important decisions in a democracy. Those who vote are somethimes frustrated when the final say on matters is in the hands of people who never faced an election and never will because they have their job for life. Lets see, a supreme court judge can strike down or modify laws, by passing judgement can make new laws, has a job for life, never faces a vote of the people as do our representatives. Wow, what a deal! No wonder people want to be lawyers!
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I don't think that voting people in necessarily brings in a better calibre of person, though. I mean, imagine if you had politicians in charge of the supreme court. They would be making laws always with an eye to being re-elected and would judge based on what the mob of voters would prefer.

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I agree with you. I wouldn't want judges elected either. My objection to the system is that we already have a Congress that makes laws, we don't need judges that are not responsible to the people to also be making laws.
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quote:
Originally posted by Stacyisagirl:
[B]What is really great is that unelected judges are making the important decisions in a democracy. B]


I agree totally, but it worries me that certain high ranking elected officials (ie the President), seem to feel that it is innappropriate for judges to be the arbitrators that they are supposed to be. It is a judge's responsibility to interpret the laws and the constitution and make a judgement according to her/his interpretations. Calling a decision "arbitrary" in the way that this decision has been referred to seems to be deriding that responsibility and making it seem like a personal, not a professional, judgement.


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