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sleepyme
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I was driving a long innocently the other day, minding my own business, when out a car pulled infront of me. It was coverd in bumper stickers one of which read "Thankgod Your Mother was Pro-Life" At this I was sit into a fit of rage. Am I the only one acttuly OFFENDED by this bumper sticker and those like it. First of all my mother is NOT pro-life as many parents are not. My mother took care not to get pregnat until she wanted a child. She did not just have me out of some duty not to kill. Secondly, when someone who doesn't want a child has one it is not a pleasent usually a pleasent situation. Not at all. Only someone in this sistuation can decided wether or not to "thank God that their mother is pro-life" and frankly I am offend. Am I the only one?
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You know, that's their opinion to express if they so desire. That's also their car to get repainted, or file a vandalism report on if someone else should take offense to that opinion, and express their feelings with car keys or a bag of sugar. My point here isn't that vandalism is right (certainly not, and it can carry some nasty penalties, too), but that while we're entitled to our opinions, there are times and places when expressing them is neither appropriate nor very smart.

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I am tired of being offended by things personally. Its so much work to get angry at people ya know? Now, getting offended at someone expressing their opinion and standing up for your rights when they are being trampled on is totally different.

I think this woman is ignorant, but you know that, I know that... the only people it truly harms is those who can't think for themselves and who will believe what someone's bumper sticker says.


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sleepyme
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I supose it is useless to be offended, I just couldn't help it. I know everyone has the rigth to their opion, still I couldn't help but want to confront that man about it. Ah, well.


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...and you'd be allowed to do that, and coud do it pretty easily and plainly just by saying, "Excuse me, but I found your bumper sticker offensive and manipulative. I know for myself, my mother was and is pro-choice, and I am here because the choice she made in that instance was to have me."

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Abortion kills 4,000 americans every day, 1/3 of the population since 1973. Now I call call that true terror!

Edit: I should mention sleepyme that I have 4 bumper stickers just like that on my truck. Part of the world is pro-life (me) and part of the world is pro-choice.

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Edit: I should mention sleepyme that I have 4 bumper stickers just like that on my truck. Part of the world is pro-life (me) and part of the world is pro-choice.

Wouldn't that effectively mean you're pro-choice?

I mean, I'm pro choice. I don't support abortion for myself, but I believe other people should be able to make that choice...


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Hey, thats you.

I was at one time pro-choice but I found out this year that my Mom had an abortion before I was born. I never did enjoy being the only child and now I find out that My mom murdered my brother or sister! Every time I see her I look at her as a baby killer! But hey, that's just me.


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Neither the dictionary nor US criminal law defines 'murder' the same way you do eagle, and hyperbole simply isn't welcome here. While you can feel as you choose too, it's not okay to call those of us who've had abortions 'murderers' or 'baby killers', and we ask that you not do so again if you wish to keep using these boards.

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But, eagle, your bumper sticker aside, are you actively working against the pro-choicers? If not, cupcake's right I think, in that in practice, you're pro-choice.

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I am pro-life.

sorry about that Milke. I was calling my Mom that not anybody else on this board. After looking at pictures of aborted babies it's hard not saying it.


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Eagle- have you talked to your mom about why she had her abortion and actively tried to understand her reasons? All political issues aside, it's important that you understand (or at least TRY to understand) that for your relationship with your mother. It must be very difficult for her to know that her child thinks she's a "baby killer." Even more difficult, I imagine, than it is for you to imagine life as a younger sibling.

And returning to political issues... There was this light blue minivan with about 5 prolife stickers on it that used to manage to park next to me every day, no matter where I parked. It drove me insane. Not just because I had to deal with prolife sentiment constantly... More that it completely infuriates me that the abortion debate is so often boiled down to a battle of the slogans. "She's a child, not a choice" vs. "If you can't trust me with a choice, how can you trust me with a child?" and "My body, my choice" vs "Abortion stops a beating heart" just don't even begin to get into the depth of the issue. It's like reading the introductory paragraph of a thesis and thinking that you know the full depth of its subject.

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Hey eagle, I know where you are in terms of knowing your mother had an abortion. My mom had one at the age of 17 because there was no way she could support a child. It is a wierd thought to know that there was a possibility of an older sibling.

Then I realize, every choice we make changes the course of our future. If my mom hadnt made that choice who knows where she would have been, or even where I would have been. Or IF I would have been. My father probably would have left her if she didnt. While I think he is wrong for that, I am not I would be in existence if my mom wasnt pro-choice at that time.

I am not angry with her in the slightest. I love her and respect her decisions. And I respect all opinions, as long as mine don't get trampled on.


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Hey Eatch, your just down the road from me! I'm in Grants Pass.

Anyway Eatch when did your Mom tell you? What did you think at first?

See for me My Mom never told me, it was my Uncle who talked. I talked about it with my Mom and it was just hell after that! I was always pro-choice and I had no problem with abortion but when I found out that I had a brother or sister that was aborted my view changed over night. I cried to sleep for nights knowing that I lost a a good friend in life.


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Heather
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A reminder, please: Scarleteen is a pro-choice site, and that is clearly stated on the main page.

That given, we will NOT entertain abortion discussed as "murder" or anything similar. It is simply not okay here at this site, and I don't care if you're talking about your own Mother: talking about that in that way in regard to anyone here isn't allowable or acceptable.

You know, eagle, I have a sister. And from day one, we've never gotten along. It's not ugly or dramatic, we just have no real bond, and nothing in common and never have. You've no way of knowing if in not having a sibling, or that possible sibling, what, if anything, you've lost. To boot, if that's a loss, so, theoretically, is every child not conceoived with every month a woman menstruates and does not become pregnant.

(I should also add that the "pictures" you have likely seen have not been of first trimester abortions, because in those cases, there truly is nothing to see, save microscopically. To argue that there is is to argue against very basic physiology.)

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i'd just like to share something Margaret Cho said during her new show Cho Revolution:

"i'm pro-choice... that means i'm pro all choices... that doesn't mean i'm anti-life! I'm not like 'yeah! let's kill em all!' "

i love Margaret Cho! <3


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Oh come on Scarlet that's like saying I kill dozens of children ever time I cum. That's like saying an apple seed is a wonderful juicy red apple, lol! Give me a break!

And hey, if you dont like your sister just kill her! You obviously have no problem with my sibling being murdered so I dare ya to kill your sister! it's only a life.


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Heather
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...and your comparisons are the same that could be made with early-term abortion, and some people would indeed say such and have. It's all very arbitrary and subjective, just in that way. There are no black and white lines with this issue, which is what I was attempting to illustrate for you.

However, in terms of your tone and approach, eagle, you appear to be hovering just beneath the exit sign here.

Consider yourself duly directed and escorted out the door should you make one more comment like such.

I'll say it once more, and won't repeat myself again: Scarleteen is a pro-choice site. That means we honor all available and legal repropductive choices here, and they aren't to be argued here on my dime.

If you can't handle that limit as requested, your posting privlidges will be removed.

That said, if anyone woud like to continue this post in reference to the original poster, in other words, how to handle or address getting those sorts of messages as best as possible, you'r welcome to it. But as stated in other threads before, we're not going to argue the right to reproductive choice, including abortion, here.

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Eep, I posted the same sime as Miz Scarlet. A shame... I had a good point.

[This message has been edited by Etch (edited 10-26-2003).]


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I just didn't like your tone and approach so I had to get it off my chest.
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How you feel about my experience or opinions is fairly irrelevant, because you are a user here and I am the site owner. My 'tone" was nothing more than reminding you of the rules here and expressing my experience with a sibling.

There are rules which are clearly outlined for you in the user guidelines to which you agreed upon registering, and which you were reminded of by both myself and another advocate.

You need to vent in this vein, you do it somewhere else. You don't like our guidelines, you don't need to be here.

So in a word, drop it or move on.


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First off sorry for setting of such a fight. My post was not intended to do so. I think Eagel made my point even more however. His mother was no pro-life and he was still here posting. I think that bummer sticker just set me off not only because of it's truthlessness but becasue of the fact that it was emplying "all parents are pro-life and therefour pro-choice is only for those that have not had as much life exsperance and don't know as well." I found this very upsetting. It really should not have upset me so much, as, it is just a bumper sticker but thankyou all for posting responces. Next time I see something like that prehaps I won't be quite so upset.
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Having gained LOTS of experience with being on the "wrong" side of a political debate and regularly offending people with my own opinions, let me say this:

Preaching to the choir makes you lazy.

Without someone to disagree with, it becomes really easy to forget why you beleive in the things you believe. Then regularly confronting the people who disagree with you teaches you how to conduct yourself in debate. It sharpens your ideas and arguments, and it elucidates points of view you may never have considered.

So, next time something like that pisses you off, suck it up and remember that yours is not the only opinion. And no matter how strongly you may believe it so, yours is also not likely to be the only RIGHT opinion. Instead, figure out where they're coming from, and figure out how you'd defend your beliefs without being a total bastard. Debate is good. Senseless anger is not.

no, i'm not pro-life. but i do respect everybody's right to have their own beliefs.

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Rather someone choose to be pro-choice or pro-life doesn't bother me one bit. When people shut their eyes, cover their ears, and drown out the opinions of others the moment they hear it's different than their's? That bothers me.

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i agree with xcatfightx - nicely said, too -
i've actually seen a car sticker like this - which i thouight was unusual because i live in england - where we all like to repress our feelings (i'm just kidding...) - when i saw it i felt ... angry, presured even... car stickers seem to have a strange ability to shout at you (especially when stuck in traffic) there is a time and a place to express opinions and the back of your car might not be the place.. in short!!!! "i agree!!!!!" (i do ramble...heh)

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Compare pictures of aborted babies (most of which are propagandous partial-birth abortions anyway....) to pictures of children who are beaten, abused, and neglected by their parents who didn't want them in the first place; pictures of chidlren living in substandard, filthy housing and going to bed hungry each night; pictures of children who resort to gang violence, drugs, or prostitution because they have no other future or hope. I don't see any improvement. I don't advocate abortion over other options, but I'd rather that than allow one more child be born into a life worse than death.
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quote:
Originally posted by PebblePerson:
i'd just like to share something Margaret Cho said during her new show Cho Revolution:

"i'm pro-choice... that means i'm pro all choices... that doesn't mean i'm anti-life! I'm not like 'yeah! let's kill em all!'"


She has a point—a point which, unfortunately, many people will never get.

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