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I was reading an article today on the AOL Welcome screen about Teen Nude camps and how their becoming really popular. Its like a summer camp, you do sports and stuff but youre nude. Its for ages 11-18.

Now I would personally never go to one of these nor would i ever send one of my kids there if I had one.

What do you guys think?,their set up so kids can get past the awarkdness of being a teenager. I just thought it was kinda strange. Would you go? Would you let your kids go?


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Wow.. I would probably never have the guts to go there..but If I were there..then I would probably eventually take my clothes off.
Where are these camps anyway?

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Funny, I was gonna post this, but sublime beat me to it. I read the article in the NYTimes since I am not an AOHell member.

The camp in the article was in Florida, if I am not mistaken. It is heavily guarded to protect the children (ages 11-18) from prying eyes of outsiders. also, newcomers are watched very carefully. They make a big point, of course, to show that their nudity is not meant as a sexual display.

Personally, if it was my choice to send off my children, I'd make sure that this was something they really believed in and that they understood that not everybody would accept the nudist lifestyle, so they would learn to be discreet about discussing nudism. Even still, I'd be hesitant to send my kids off to a nudist camp. It's not my thing, and I'm honestly worried about skin cancer. I'm also worried about the people who might slip past security and have bad intentions for my children.

Other than that, I don't see a problem with other folks sending their kids to nudist summer camp if that's what the children really want. I'd rather just send my kids to summer school or an educational program instead.

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I don't know about that. Like Gumdrop Girl said, I would be worried about possible sex offenders getting past the gates and taunting my children.

As for nudists camps and beaches, I think they really awesome. I want to go to one in a few years when I'm a less self concious teenager. Just the whole nudist camp for KIDS thing is what bothers me.

I'd like to see how Bobolink feels, as a parent.


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Read the article at the NYTimes.

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Basking in what nudist organizations say is a growing interest in nude recreation, the association has begun a nationwide expansion of summer camps for nudists age 11 to 18. The first began here 10 years ago, in a county north of Tampa known for its concentration of nudist resorts. In 2000, the association opened its second camp in Arizona.

A third is to open outside Richmond, Va., this month, and organizers in Texas are planning a fourth camp there for the summer of 2005.

Naked summer camp might strike non-nudists as illegal or prurient, or like striking a match to the gasoline of adolescent hormones.

Anti-nudity statutes in Florida and other states, however, say that nudity on private property is perfectly legal, even among minors, as long as there is no lewdness. And camp rules, drawn up by campers themselves a few years ago, guard against that. "Do not allow nudity and lust to mingle," they state. "No improper touch. Nudity must not be humiliating, degrading or promote ridicule." Even the occasional clothing, worn in the camp's shuttle van, must not be "sexually alluring."



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I have been to nudist beaches (though not nudist resorts and camps) and have found that they don't encourage lewd behaviour especially among mixed sex, gender, orientation and aged groups of people. People are just hanging out or playing some beach type sports in the nude....people from age 1 to 90 (or there abouts). It is not terribly sexy.

I would expect that if you have spent much of your childhood in these kinds of situations then nudity would not be a sexual experience at these camps. Just part of the "naturalist" experience.

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Just as an added thought: our culture is such that it equates nudity with sex, even though, in all truth, there's really no reason to do that, because we're nude from the minute we're born, we're nude in a ton of nonsexual situations, and heck, we may not even often be nude in sexual situations.

As an interesting sidenote, as an erotic artist and photographer, one of the things I've noticed in response to my own work as well as to most of that through art history, is that people's sexual response to fully NUDE work is far less than it is to partially-clothed subjects. You'll note, for instance, if you pick up any Playboy magazine that it's actually rare for the pinups to be completely nude: usually they have lingerie on, or somme piece of something dangling from somewhere, and that's not about modesty, it's about marketing and knowing that the response to fully nude work is often limited.

That tends to be even more so when nudity is taken out of an erotic context, such as at nudist retreats, hospitals, etc.

And in terms of the pathology of sex abusers, again, you're likely to see far less response to open nudity than you would in a normal, clothed everyday situation.

So, had I kids, I don't think I'd be pushing them to go to something like this, because I'd hope I'd reared them to be comfortable with their bodies, nude and otherwise, well before that age. But if they wanted to go? I don't see that I'd likely have an objection.

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i would to embarrest to go because i would get a boner ever time i saw a naked girl and i would be embarresed so idk i don't think i would go im 14 by the way
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I'm about to turn 19, so I couldn't go to a camp like that, but if they had one for my age range, I'd certainly do it - it sounds like a great way to get over bodily insecurities and the social insanity that our culture has developed about sex and nudity. I just hope it works the way it's intended to. I would send my kids there if they wanted to go. I hope to raise any I had to be comfortable with themselves and other people in terms of nudity. At my college, skinny-dipping in the fountain is a Tradition, and it's been a great way for me to get overy my lingering insecurities. Even though I'm attracted to women - and indeed to some of the women I go swimming with - it's not a sexual situation, and while I find it very beautiful to watch us all playing in the water, people running around sans clothing is not necessarily something that will arouse me or anyone else. (wow, that was a long sentence! Sorry about the grammar)....Tim, I think you'd get used to seeing naked girls pretty quickly, if everyone around you was nude most of the time. It has to be the right situation for most people for nudity to be sexual.
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As a parent, I have no philosophical problems with nudity. However, some American nudist camps have been linked to child pornography. There is a market out there for "Nudist Moppets" and photographers at nudist camps are the source of these. So I would be very careful to check out a nudist children's camp before i would send my child to it.

That being said, while not a nudist, I have known nudists and they all seem to be well adjusted people.

My son was exposed to a lot of nudity as a child. While he seems to have relatively normal sexual behavior for a young man in his 20's, he seems to have no interest in pornography.

So my conclusion is that nudist camps for teens is a good ideabut it must be carefully monitored.

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I remember reading an article on nudist camps in time magazine. They camps were usually attended by kids raised in families that already visited these nudist resorts. If I was raised attending nude beaches or resorts ...I wouldnt find a camp that odd. I wouldnt have a problem sending my children to one... well if I had kids.
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I personally would not send my kids to this, not because I have a problem with nudity or nudists(heck, we're all naked naturally aren't we?) but I would be worried, expecially in today's climate, about child pornography and abuse of my kids.

They say that the camp is guarded, but lets face it a lot of people who traffic in child pornography would do ANYTHING to get pictures of kids, using high powered lenses, and god knows what else.

That's just my personal opinion, and I really would not be happy with my kids at a camp like this.


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quote:
Originally posted by Bobolink:
My son was exposed to a lot of nudity as a child. While he seems to have relatively normal sexual behavior for a young man in his 20's, he seems to have no interest in pornography.

Just wanted to clarify... are you worried that no interest in pornography is unhealthy? Or that you think it is a sign that he does have normal healthy sexual behavior?

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I believe you're reading a judgment into Bobo's post that wasn't there at all, and going completely overboard with it, to boot.

He did not say his son's disinterest in porn was good or bad, nor that porn was good or bad.

He simply said that his son appeared to have no interest in pornography, which overall, tends to be a bit unusual for young men in general.

So, I'm not sure how you managed to interpret that as a value judgement on porn, save by attaching one to it all by yourself. I'd suggest you calm the heck down, that given.

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(The above was a response to Evil's original post, which she seems to have rewritten entirely while I was posting the above.)
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quote:
Originally posted by Miz Scarlet:
And in terms of the pathology of sex abusers, again, you're likely to see far less response to open nudity than you would in a normal, clothed everyday situation.

Right on. People who abuse kids could potentially be anywhere - a clothed camp, a school, a theme park, a church. I don't think a nudist camp would inherently lead to a bigger chance of abuse. The chances are just as big there as anywhere else. ANY place that deals with children has to have proper safeguards in place and screen people before hiring them to work with kids. I guess when people hear about camps like these, the link between nudity and sexual situations arises because our society has inundated us with the message that Nude! = Sex! and Sex! = Nude!, which, as you pointed out, is so not always the case.

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If my kid wanted to go to a nude camp. I'd probably end up letting them go if they really wanted to. Personally, I doubt I'd ever want to attend one of those but if my kid wanted to and was really into that sort of lifestyle, go for it.
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I wouldnt go to a camp like that, mainly because i am much too uncomfortable with my body (in front of others) to go there. I know that after a while I would probably become comfortable there, but I still think even after I became comfortable with myself being "shown off" (if you will) to others, I would probably not be all comfortable seeing other people naked. I know that I shouldnt feel the way I do, but frankly (for myself)looking at naked people is grotesque... I admit that this opinion (and I emphasize that it is only my opinion) is immature, but I have never seen a fully naked body without automatically turning away with a squirmish feeling and a face of shock. lol I’m 17 and I’m still like this, but I guess everyone moves at his/her own pace.

Anyway... so that’s one of the reasons I wouldn’t want to go to a nudist camp, as well as the fact that I would probably freak out if anyone touched me (even just a tap on the shoulder) if I was nude. There is also the fact that many others have pointed out about how it may heighten the risk of harassers and sex offenders.

These are also the reasons why I would not send my child to a nudist camp (if I had any children).


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Even though the camps are for helping children to get past their insecurities, or awarkdness and so on, I wouldn't DARE go to one of those. It is because I myself, like most, am shy, or uncomfortable with someone seeing me nude. The fact is that going to one of those camps could probably make things worse. What if after you went to one of those camps, you wouldn't even have the guts to go swimming?? That would be a tragedy, If I say so myself.

There are other things to do to get past the awarkdness of being an adolescent. Parents, friends, discusion with relatives. Things like these that are likely to help us through ours teen years. And as CutiePie4eva said, what if someone, especially a stranger touched you?? And bear in mind, EVERYONE is going to see you naked! I don't mean to be inmature, because we all know how a female and a male looks, but ACTUALLY seeing bodies(strangers)naked is just another story...!!!

Maybe some people do look foward to those camps, and maybe attending one, but that is their desicions, because after all I can't judge. It might after all be a good experience if you see it from a different point of view. Well,this is my opinion on these camps, different people have different opinions of things. And that's that.

And Also, I would neither attend one of these camps or let my children(if had children) attend them.

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quote:
I don't mean to be mature, because we all know how a female and a male looks, but ACTUALLY seeing bodies(strangers)naked is just another story...!!!

Actually, most people really DON"T know how actual -- not models, not actors, not pop stars -- bodies look. And that's a bit of the point being made here.

We hear a LOT of very sad poor body image issues around here (and insaanely unrealistic ideas of what most folks bodies look like), incessantly, and a lot of them could be nipped in the bud if people DID just see the diversity of other normal folks bodies, in a nonsexual setting, much more regularly, whether that be at a camp, or in the locker room at the Y.


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quote:
Originally posted by Miz Scarlet:
Actually, most people really DON"T know how actual -- not models, not actors, not pop stars -- bodies look. And that's a bit of the point being made here.

We hear a LOT of very sad poor body image issues around here (and insaanely unrealistic ideas of what most folks bodies look like), incessantly, and a lot of them could be nipped in the bud if people DID just see the diversity of other normal folks bodies, in a nonsexual setting, much more regularly, whether that be at a camp, or in the locker room at the Y.


I might qualify that, Heather, to say that most young people don't know how real bodies look. Past a certain age, most people have some sexual experience, and most of that experience doesn't come with movie stars and supermodels.

Or at least mine hasn't.

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Agreed, but even then it's rarely same sex, so when it comes to personal body image, that's of limited help. In addition, we tend to see bodies very differently through a sexual lens than through a nonsexual one.
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Oops, I'm sorry. I meant to say that I don't mean to be INmature. And you are right, Miz Scarlet, not all of us know how bodies look. Thanks for pointing that out!

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quote:
Originally posted by Miz Scarlet:
Actually, most people really DON"T know how actual -- not models, not actors, not pop stars -- bodies look.

Not to steer this thread too far off-topic, but I have to say that the week I spend each year in a nudity-acceptable environment is probably one of the best things I do for my body image.

The festival I go to is comprised solely of women but it's certainly not models only. Actually seeing such a variety of shapes and forms -- all of them beautiful in one way or another -- reminds me rather quickly how beautiful my own body is.

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Well, right now, I'm 18, but I know for sure my parents wouldn't let me go to a nudist camp when I was younger, and I wouldn't go right now. Right now, I feel as if I am comfortable enough with my own personal image and I have boosted my self-esteem enough without this type of experience.

However, I am very open to the idea of being in a nudist environment enabling young people to have realistic models of body image. I struggled with weight and breast size/shape anxiety when I was younger, because I just felt that I was repulsive and unacceptable. Somehow, with me, though, that didn't equate being mortified with being nude. The only way that I would actually be mortified, I think, is if it were in a sexual context.

With me, my body image issues were always, "Oh, guys will ever really like me." I mean, sure, I was extremely self-conscious wearing clothing that was somewhat revealing, wondering if people thought I was fat. I was, indeed, overweight until this point in my life, but I was never teased. After I lost the weight, the concern shifted entirely to sexual appeal.

So, to be nude in a nonsexual context, if that could be guaranteed, would be a profitable experience. I found other ways to be comfortable about my own body image, one that took a while and that I'm still working on, but I'm definitely open to other methods.

I don't personally know any nudists, and everyone I know definitely equated nudity with sexuality. The only thing I'd be concerned about in these camps are people with ulterior motives, people who can't get out of the sexual mindset when around naked people and who may create an uncomfortable environment. Yep, that's it.

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What the heck?!?!?! I never really heard of a teen nude camp. I would wonder about the employees there. Also, 11 years olds mixed in with 18 year olds? If I was one of the 18 year olds or around there, I would not want a bunch of 11 year olds to see me naked. i guess it's just the self consciousness. Alas, i am too self conscious.

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Update:

Does this article in today's St. Petersburg Times change anyone's mind? Evidently the founder of a teen nudist camp has decided to publish videos featuring full frontal shots of his camp's attendees.

Legally, it's a tough call for him because Florida's Criminal Code distinguishes between child pornography and mere videos or photographs of nude children. Section 827.071(4) makes it a Class 2 Felony to possess any pictures or video which include sexual or lewd conduct by a child. But pictures or videos of children who are nude but not acting in a sexual manner are not covered under this provision. So while this guy is certainly skirting the law (and opening himself up to Federal prosecution depending on where he's selling these tapes), he hasn't crossed Florida's prosecutorial boundary yet.

All the same, it brings up a whole different element to the concept of the teen nude camps. If you're of the opinion that it would be a-ok for your children to attend, would you want them videotaped and seen around the world?

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That'd be WAY crossing the line in my book.

It feels silly to even have to say that, honestly.


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This is exactly why I mentioned my reservations in my previous post. If these children's parents didn't sign model releases for their children, I suspect a crime may have been committed.

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I really fail to see the purpose of the videos, honestly. Even though I've never been, my understanding is that to get the feel of a nudist camp or community, you really have to attend. It just sounds like poorly-disgusied child pornography, and that is definetly not okay with me.

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