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Gumdrop Girl
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http://www.cnn.com/2003/EDUCATION/05/02/separate.proms.ap/

A high school in Georgia organized a prom for white-students only. This was legal because the prom was organized privately and not sanctioned by the school administration. The year before, the school held its first school-sanctioned prom in 31 years, and it was an integrated affair. In years before, black students and white students held separate proms, organized by parents privately. The reason was to curb "problems" involve interracial dating. But after last year's integrated prom, a group of white students decided they wanted to hold a segregated prom in addition to the school prom.

Your thoughts?

Mine are as follows; I recognize their right to organize a segregated prom. But also recognize my own right to think them to be racists for it. I hope plenty of kids went to the integrated prom instead.

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Things like this sadden me. All I can say is I would not allow my kid to attend a segrated prom or any other White only or black only event.
Perhaps some one should have a huminist only prom.

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Problems caused by interracial dating? I'm in an interracial relationship, but when I say that it seems so stupid to say, because I don't notice he's darker then me when I'm with him. I don't dwell on the fact, and neither does he. I just see him as my boyfriend. We're polite, nice people who are respectful (he doesn't hate racists even, he'll ask them why they feel the way they do, but then he'll say that's their right).. so we don't cause problems, we're the same as everyone else.

By holding a segregated prom this would be causing problems with interacial dating, but it's not the interacial couple who would be doing so. It's puting them in a catagory they most likely don't see as necessary, as well as pointing out the (imagined) difference and giving fuel to hate and/or violence. If they weren't treated differently there would be no trouble.

Sorry I'm explaining this horribly.

As for my opinions on it, I don't know. They can do what they like, and they will. I think it's wrong personally and I (obviously) wouldn't go. Nor would I want my kids to go. And if my friends went I would probably question their friendship.


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http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/5846064.htm

That's vaguely related, but I just thought that was pretty cool.


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Neros_Neptune
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quote:
Originally posted by DrQuack5:
http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/5846064.htm

That's vaguely related, but I just thought that was pretty cool.


I agree that it is cool, but I don't think that it really would make a difference. The racists I know don't only dislike certain races based on color, they hate people who supposedly "act" like them, or even support them. So it's not the color that they dislike, it's a simple way of catogorizing a whole group of people into acting a certain way, which they obviously don't. Therefore even if race does not exist, even if we were all the same color, cultures would be hated, and culture or customs or actions isn't a color.

So racism as a word would lose it's meaning, but it would still be intolerance based on differences.

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That's Georgia for you. This reminds me of a case a few years ago where a man was sent to prison for five years ostensibly for having oral sex with his wife. Oral sex is a felony in the enlightened state of Georgia and is labeled "sodomy" in the statute against it.

As bad as that is the real truth is far worse. The man was sentenced to five years not because he was going down on his wife, but because he was black and she was white.

I wish I knew more of the details of the case because there are people who don't believe me when I tell them about it.

I think a lot of this nonsense stems from religion. I'm originally from Tennessee, which is in the heart of the bullsh, uh I mean bible belt. My own parents are psychiatric cases when it comes to religion. They thought interracial dating was "sinful." Of course that was their all-purpose excuse and justification for anything they didn't like or approve of. Of course it could also simply be old fashioned racism with religion being used as a smoke-screen.

I think it is really sad that people would go so far as to create separate proms for whites and blacks just to keep people from each group from going to the prom together. I've also lived in northern Virginia for a little while and up there everybody is dating everybody and race is just a flavor. I've been living in Arizona for a few years now and out here there aren't enough blacks to really know how people react to inter-racial dating. There are tons of hispanics and while the white trash out here dislikes them (what else is new?) at least here at ASU no one I associate with even thinks twice about mixed couples. Of course distinguishing hispanics/latinos/chicanos as a separate race from anglos is really splitting hairs. The difference is far more cultural than genetic. On both sides of the border the populations are descended from both european and native bloodlines. The native part tends to be more obvious down there but only because the Spaniards were more prone to converting the conquered peoples to catholicism instead of simply killing most of them like we did.

Even so I suspect that places like Georgia are LESS racist than some other parts of the country. The reason I say this is because down there whites and blacks spend a lot of time around each other. There my be tension, and there will always be hatred among the idiots and the fools, but overall everyone gets along if it is anything like Tennessee was. Where I grew up everyone more or less got along and although whites and blacks stuck to their own groups more often than not, very few from either side had a general problem with the other group. The class president my junior year of high school was a black girl for example.

Compare that with a place like North Dakota where there are no blacks, mexican, asians, etc. I used to know a guy when I first moved out here and was living in a dorm who was from that state. He was one of the most racist people I've ever met. What pissed me off about the guy is that when he found out I was from the south he immediately assumed that I was a racist like he was. Nothing I could say ever really convinced him otherwise. I think he was the way he was mostly because all he knew were white people. From what I hear he's a pretty typical example of the way people are up there.

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Its a very great test of the liberal mind to try and accept these privately held segragated proms as a right, but I suppose it must be done or else risk curtailing rights generally. Despite this, we can and should point out the utter lunacy of such policies and continue to rally against the idea of "race" as a division in society.

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You know, being liberal doesn't mean putting up with any and all BS we see, or accepting all things just because we wish to retain more reasonable 'rights'. I think we all need to be able to use our own minds and values to make judgements wisely, rather than just accepting everything in an attempt at an amorphous 'tolerance'. Because really, if you feel everything's okay, you're not being tolerant, you're being apathetic.

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Now that is the sort of thing I find disgusting. Everyone is a person (with certain specific exceptions), so what if someone's got darker skin than someone else, they just have better protection against the sun.

I know a couple about my age (I refuse to refer to them as interracial, that has no meaing to me), the guy happens to have darker skin than the girl and they've been together for years now, they're one of the happiest couples I've seen. Look at them and tell me it's a problem.

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I am afraid to an extent, being Liberal does mean that. You can enact laws to protect people from physical harm but when it comes to private associations, it is quite a worrying thing in a free society when the government is telling people who to include. It is also why I don't like the idea of "hate crimes" since violent or abusive acts are the same, even if the motivations for them are racist.

Of course, I very much sympathise with this liberal predicament, Milke, of complaining about people being culturally imperialist while at the same time attempting to create a new dominant culture. That is why I don't count myself as fully Liberal, and rather put myself on the liberal side of the socialist spectrum. Socialists have no problem dabbling with altering people's beliefs when it is deemed necessary, after all.

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