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cupcake
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In Quesnel, BC, a man might lose his job.

He's an evangelical Christian, and chooses to take the Bible literally.
He is also a high school guidance counsellor.

He recently spewed off an editorial and 4 letters to the town newspaper (town population: 25,000) condemning homosexuality, commenting on how immoral it is, and said he was praying that potentially gay students come to him so he can save their lives.


Needless to say, he ticked off quite a few people, who think he should be removed from his job (as a guidance counsellor)

He says that the comments he made weren't directly on the job, so it shouldn't matter.


Thoughts?


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If he's a counsellor at a public high school, I think the public has a reason to be at least a little concerned. Espcecially if he "said he was praying that potentially gay students come to him so he can save their lives." Just how does he expect to do that? o_O There are appropriate places to offer advice according to one's religious beliefs but I don't think as a public school worker is one of them.

If this is a private school and he's in line with the school's beliefs, then it's up to the school to decide if he overstepped himself.


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This guy's being ridiculous if he says in a letter/editorial, that his religious views colour his job performance, and then turns around to the people who are upset and says that this won't have any bearing on his job performance.

He can't have it both ways: either he says he won't try and change gay students, or he admits that his religion will change the way he does his job.

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oooh this is a touchy subject. What he did was out of his job, but it was in a public place refering to his job. Im not sure about canada, but in america i know for a fact he would get fired and there would be not as much of an outcry becuase you need to take religion completely out of a public institution here.
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See, I honestly wonder about that.

I know you guys are supposed to have very distinct zones of religion and anything else, and yet I find the US to be a much more religious atmosphere than Canada. Whether that's better or worse has yet to be seen, by me at least.


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Does anyone else find it ironic that this guy is under fire for using free speech, expressing his opinion against what is effectively free expression of sexuality.

Kinda funny, when you think about it.

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I do not not think we are concerned with his freedom of speech, that is of course his right in US society. However, his beliefs and self-confessed intentions mark him out as being incompetent at being a counsellor specifically. Even if he held beliefs against homosexuality, he could still act perfectly well if he kept that out of his work but if he wants change people from their chosen, or even unchosen orientation then he is rendered useless in that field. And I dont think I am being unfair.

An anxious and often confused student does not need to be plied with religious dogma, explaining how "evil" his possible future lifestyle will be. That could only ever make things worse and that runs against the whole point of having a school counsellor.

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BC is British Columbia, on the west coast of Canada.

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Gah! Terribly sorry. I know how much you Canadians don't like to be mixed up with Americans. I had not read over the whole topic for a few weeks and I must have forgotten the geographical setting for this particular news story.

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Milke
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Oh, I don't mind, it's just that nationality can affect scenarios like this.

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Hey, no worries. I'm the first person to get touchy about being a so-called "wannabe American", and even *I* don't mind
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That is just so not okay.

I really have no sympathy for him. He may be a B.C. Bible Belter, but if he wants to be a public servant (as public school teachers are), he's going to have to respect the public laws. And blatant public discrimination based on sexual orientation is not allowed, and in a public school where this guy regularly comes into contact with gay teenagers, could be very damaging.

It totally ruins his credibility as a counsellor.

We had a flap in Ontario last spring because a student at a Catholic high school (which in Ontario are publicly funded, which...don't get me started) wanted to take his boyfriend to the prom and the school wouldn't let him. He sued them for the right to attend, and won.

If you're going to accept public money, you're going to be accountable to the public. Deal.

And yeah, in general, Canada is a less religious society than the US.

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Church and State, or in this case province, , should be kept separate. If it were a Catholic school etc., then fine. But its public, everyone needs to respect eachother. We have freedom of speech, not freedom to harass people by telling them that "we need to save them."

And cupcake, yeah, the states seems to be more 'religious' to me too. But I think thats because we associate religion with Christianity. And the States still seems to be dominately Christian, Canada has really really been promoting multiculturalism and diversity of religion. So Canada is still very religious, but not in the same context as the States, we don't see a concetration on the Christian religion here anymore like we still do in the states. Thats just my opinion, though.

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