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Playing off the discussion about James Bond having sex in a temple, I thought I'd cast a wider net: What, if anything, should sex not touch? Are sex scenes in temples always off-limits, or only when Bond does it? What about when a small, indie flick has a sex scene in a place of worship?

How about this magazine cover where American rapper Lil Kim covers most of her face wearing a hijab, but exposes much of her body - much more than would be acceptable in many predominantly-Muslim societies. Predictably, the photo angered some Muslims.

I'm not interested, especially, in responses to the two scenarios given up above, though you're welcome to provide them. I'm curious about everyone's response to a larger issue: Sex is used to draw attention to, and to mock every other bloody thing under the sun, why should religion be any different?

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Personally, as a demi-Buddhist atheist, I don't have a problem with the idea of sex in a temple per se - I don't see sex as something that's going to "sully" anything.

However, context makes a difference, as ever.

For example, I'd guess that the producers would never have shown Bond having sex in a Christian church - they'd anticipate getting protests about that, which you don't want if you're trying to produce a generic block-buster. Generally, that is the sort of thing that only an indie film would risk doing, and it would most likely be because they wanted to make a specific point (religious or political) by it.

But the assumption of the Bond producers seems to be that with a Buddhist temple, the same rules don't apply - it's as if they figured Eastern religions are just a bit of exotic scenery. It's that implication that annoys me.

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I see some irony in having Sarah Jones's name under LK's (Your Revolution (Will Not Happen Between These Thighs)). I don't think the issue here is about sex so much as respect. If you know something bothers someone, and you don't *need* to do it, you're probably best off leaving well enough alone. Religion is extremely important to many people, often much more so than politics and other very personal concerns, and taking a stab at something people hold very dear is asking for trouble (though I know, sometimes that's the point.). Sex, quite simply, is also something else that's important to people, and attention getting by nature. While this means it can be an effective marketing ploy, or way of adding some excitement to a movie or whathaveyou, it doesn't necessarily mean that using it to do so is always appropriate. We'd be wise to show sex some more respect too. It's a lot more than a tool to manipulate consumers, and should be treated as such.


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I have to disagree with you, milke... I think that everybody has the right to do something someone else might find offensive. And anybody has the right to be offended by that. And when I say right, I mean... I don't think one should hold back on someone else's behalf. That's just me, though.

As for the lil kim thing- that is so awesome!

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I'm going to concur with Milke actually. If I'm not mistaken, the point is you CAN do whatever under the protection of free speech. But just because you does not necessarily mean you SHOULD do something.

And I especially like that last point Milke brought up -- sex is more than a marketing ploy and as such, deserves to be respected accordingly.

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Ummmmm ::thinking:: I think i got my thoughts on this together, so bare with me.

I to agree that sex and religion are both very important things to people. And that they should be treated with respect.

But does that mean people need to watch were they step when it comes to such things, NOPE. By crossing a line we realize were the line is drawn, and can possibly change the line. Sometimes not in the best way, but sometimes in the best best way possible.

I also agree that if someone has the right to do something, doesn't mean is should necessarily be done. I think though, that the concept itself is great, but that we have become an overly cautious society, where we fear that if we say something it will bring reprocutions on us. AND I don't believe that is okay.

Our society has become overly P.C. that even the simpliest of comments made in the workplace "you look nice today" can become a reason to have a sexual harassment lawsuit.

That's a little off topic, so I'll attempt to get back on what my original thought was. Who decides what is appropriate and respectful in concerns of sex, religion or any other issue that causes great uproar? The gov't? The people? The individuals directly affected? The victims (if their are victims?)

Okay, that wasn't exactly the clearest of thoughts, I'm really tired. Off to bed I go, maybe after I sleep my thoughts will be more clear, maybe not ::shrugs::

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