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Grizabella
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quote:
Nine US army linguists, including six trained to speak Arabic, have been dismissed from the military because they are gay.

Upon reading this, I have to ask, where are the Army's priorities? "Gee, we see that you can speak Arabic, which could be very valuable in protecting our country against terrorism, but we think you're a sexual deviant so see ya later!" *grrrr....*

Maybe, though, there will be some good in this. Maybe it will make more people realize how bad it is to exclude people from the military based on their sexual orientation. They've just lost nine valuable people and done a great disservice to our country with their ridiculous policy.


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Here's some links to what Grizabella's talking about:

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[This message has been edited by Daydreamer24 (edited 11-16-2002).]


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I'm gonna play mini-devil's-advocate here.

If you read on, it says "the military has a don't-ask-don't-tell policy"
8 of these guy were fired because they told their superior they were gay, which violates the policy. Most anyone who violates a big policy is liable to face job action.
I work with the military, and a big thing is keeping your personal life out of your work (like most other places) and this didn't happen.

NOW this doesn't mean I agree with it. I do think they were wrongly terminated, and that policy needs to be reworked. BUT I can kinda see where it's coming from.


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Dude_who_writes
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I guess this raises an important question, for me, ultimately. As an outsider, I've always considered the miltary to be nothing more than work -- a job. Not a way of life, so therefore, your personal life and your professional life are very different things.

While I disagree with the don't-ask-don't-tell policy fundamentally because of the fact, as I understand it, that it can be "found" that you voilate the military's stance, and subsequently punished. Reall, though, I just don't understand why so many feel compelled to challange the system by coming out to a superior officer or another member of the military.

I guess that's because I've never been one to use my sexual orientation as a means to identify myself. Your sexual orientation and your work are, and should be, mutually exclusive.

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Grizabella
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Oops, sorry. I had a link, but I forgot to post it.
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Beppie
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As for the "don't ask don't tell" policy, why should people who are gay or bi have to hide their sexual orientation when people who are heterosexual do not? In violating that policy they only violated something that was unjust in the first place.

Clearly, this is a counter-productive move. If this war on terror is so imperative, a the politicians keep telling us, surely having people who can be a great deal of assistance in intelligence is more important than sexual orientation- something that shouldn't be a point of discrimination in the first place.


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Gumdrop Girl
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yeah, i can't say i'm particularly happy about this ruling. you might say it pissed me off a *lot*

The GLBT Law club at Boalt Hall School or Law at my uni had a protest on these same lines. a group of very qualified law students and alumni interviewed with military recruiters and disclosed their homosexual orientation. the point was to prove that they would not be hired solely based on their orienation.

the only even remotely viable excuse to not allow gays in the military -- which is still disagree with -- doesn't even apply to the linguists. the excuse? in foxhole combat situations, the hetero soldiers might feel uncomfortable being in cramped quarters with a homosexual (bollocks, imho!).

now, honestly, how often are linguist, cryptographers and officers ever in foxholes???

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Wedding rings, pictures of family, talk of weekend plans (mention of husband, wife), just things that come up in idle conversation give away a person's heterosexuality.
It really isn't fair. There is definitely a double-standard.

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quote:
Originally posted by Dude_who_writes:
As an outsider, I've always considered the miltary to be nothing more than work -- a job. Not a way of life...

And just as an aside, I think anyone who serves in the military would tend to disagree with that view. For Officers especially, it is nothing less than an entire way of life. Just thought I'd add that...

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cupcake
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It's not an issue of sexual orientation with the don't ask don't tewll policy. Same deal goes with a heterosexual linguist.

These guys weren't fired because mention of their boyfriend came up in casual conversation. They were either caught with the same sex (you'd be punished even if it was opposite sex) or they came out to their superiors.

I work with the military. Talk about my boyfriend is forbidden, because it's simply not professional. Why should someone who's gay "get away" with that? The whole issue should not have come up. Your personal life is your personal life. Your work is your work.

My officers don't ask about my weekend plans, I apply for leave, and I don't have to give a detailed reason for it. Why? Because my officers know it's none of their buisness. A don't as don't tell policy, and I'm heterosexual.


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BTW, the military IS a way of life. But you'll go nuts if you don't at least TRY and separate the two.
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Someday, if I'm in a position, I'm firing a gay guy and refusing to hire a woman for specific jobs on the sole basis that a governmental instituion, the army, can do it, then harping the hell out of it to make a press frenzy.

Surprised no excentric types have done it already.


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