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...this really sickened me. I'm sorry, but I don't see how it can be considered a practical punishment for the particular "crime" - any crime for that matter.

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I think, in the West, this is a pretty mom-and-apple-pie-type of issue - that's to say, most people in North America and Europe are probably feeling the same way as you, Summer.

This reminds me of the case that we looked at on the boards over a year ago in which a girl in Nigeria was sentenced to 180 lashes for having been raped. As far as I'm concerned, there's no possible way to justify either of these things, or the many other similar cases that likely occur every day. I think that certain parts of the world are lacking in humanity, frankly.

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From the point of view of an International Studies Major I'm going to give you BOTH my professional AND personal oppinon.

First, my professional oppinion. Because Pakistan allows individual tribes the ability to deliver tribal punishments when tribe rules are broken they have allowed such acts to occur. Because they allow such acts, because the police can't intervene in tribal affair there is nothing anyone can really do about it. Perhaps one should begin by trying to understand the REASONING behind raping a one girl for her brother's mistake. In this particular tribe it would seem it was done as a way to exert social control, to show the entire village that the breaking of tribal laws will not be tolerated in any case. This is most likely out of fear, that many of the tribes young people are not respecting the tribe's traditions and the tribal leaders are afraid. Because of their fear they make severe, and what may seem to others as cruel punishments.

Is this morally wrong? Depends who you ask.

Now my PERSONAL oppinion. I really don't think anyone has any right to sentance another human being to be raped, period. It would seem to me that if the government of Pakistan was TRULY sorry for what happened it would be reconsidering it's "tribal law" policy.

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hey angelic, i'm an IS major too! pretty cool.

i think you're right. this does bring up an interesting question about sovereignty, particularly about the balance states (ie pakistan) need to maintain between semi-sovereign groups like the tribes and international human rights conventions.

when does a state need to draw the line? should states be permitted to allow human rights abuses like this (or female genital mutilation, or myriad other cases) in the name of sovereignty?

clearly, from our viewpoint, this should never have been a question at all - this sentence should never have been handed down, and it certainly not be upheld by the pakistani government. but if you're the pakistani government, there are other concerns. who gets to decide?

i think the question of who/which institution should govern human rights abuses has great relevance in the arena of international women's rights and sexual politics.


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