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Dzuunmod
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I'm bringing this topic over from some other boards. I thought it was interesting, and I'm curious to see how Scarleteeners feel about it.

By now, many of us have seen t-shirts on fairly young people (in my experience, almost entirely female) with slogans like "porn star", or images such as the Playboy bunny. We likely seen TV shows with pretty clear references to porn (whether specific or general). And, we have probably seen allusions to pornography in advertising, or advertising that by some standards would be considered pronography.

What are the ramifications of this? Is it just society loosening up a little bit, or is this a sign of, say, moral decay, or something?

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lemming
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*grins* I know where you're bringing this over from. And I'm glad we're having this discussion here, because it's getting out of hand everywhere else I've seen it discussed.

I think porn is okay. I like porn. I've been known to consume porn *smirk* that is, to buy it/view it, not necessarily to eat it. I think porn stars are consenting adults who can make up their own minds about their bodies.

BUT I think those 'porn star' and Playboy bunny shirts/merchandise/other things are totally, completely inappropriate when they are being worn or bought by people who aren't even over the age of consent.

I see tweens and young teens in junior high wearing those shirts, and it just makes me cringe - not because of a 'moral decay' thing, but because I think that adults who see these kids wearing this provocative clothing view them in a sexual way, and some of these kids may not know what they're getting into, or be able to consent to these types of things.

I remember being about 13 or so and thinking it was really cool when I went to a concert for all these older men - older than my dad! - to look at me and flirt with me, and now I look back and think, ick. I had no idea what was going on. Those 'porn star' shirts and things just seem to bring that kind of negative attention on, in my opinion.

When I see a girl about my age (19) or older wearing one, I just roll my eyes 'cause I think the shirts are dumb - not because I hate porn or anything, just because I think it's just as silly as those shirts that say 'Princess' or what have you on them. If you ARE a porn star or a princess, feel free to wear one of those shirts. If you aren't, why would you want to?

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Speaking as someone who has been known to wear an "I Am A Feminist And I Love Porn" badge ... and yes, I am over the age of consent, I promise ... pretty obviously, I'm anti-censorship.

And I've seen a certain amount of porn (using this word to cover all sexually-explicit imagery made for purposes of arousal - I'm not getting into the "the stuff I like is erotica, the stuff you like is porn" thing) which I personally think is beautiful and life-enhancing and just plain hot.

But I am pretty ambivalent (rationally or not) about certain aspects of the recent "trendiness" of porn. Much of the porn industry is still overwhelmingly male-dominated and sexist (much like most other industries, I guess). Porn made by or for women is still in an incredibly small minority. And a huge amount of the porn produced still seems to be shoddy and stereotyped and sex-negative.

So I support the right of consenting adults to do, perform, film, sell and watch whatever they choose. But there's a kind of glibness about some of the "Hey, whoopee, all porn is hip and trendy and cool" media stuff that bothers me. I don't think it's a sign of "moral decay" or anything like that, but it doesn't seem to be correlated with society becoming any more sex-positive or better-informed or more open about sex either.


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Celtic Daisy
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quote:
Originally posted by lemming:
I've been known to consume porn *smirk* that is, to buy it/view it, not necessarily to eat it.

Hahaha, i laughed out loud when i saw that.

Personally, i don't see a ting wrong with porn. It's consenting sex that used for entertainment values and no one is really getting hurt. And i don't think women are objectified in it, because i know of a great deal of women who enjoy the stuff too.

Honestly, i do'nt really like those shirts. Last year i kinda wanted a playboy bunny shirt, but i wasn't about to pay $50 for one, and then i just got over it. I've always hated shirts that say things like "princess" or "i'm looking at your boyfriend" and stuff like that. I don't think they're cute. I think they're teeny bopper shirts, and they just aren't my style.

I don't mind too much if other people are wearing playboy bunny shirts, because i see them in the same catagory as my batman, spiderman, blues clues, strawberry shortcake and bettie page( ) shirts. Kinda vintage looking and appropriate if you're at least in high school.

I don't think shirts have anything to do with morality or stuff like that, i just think people are a little bit more tolerant and don't mind (to an extent) as much.


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[This message has been edited by Celtic Daisy (edited 05-09-2002).]


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I don't have anything against porn, other than most of what I've seen was bad But I find those shirts disgusting. The reason is that mainstream society as a whole in the US is not accepting of porn or anything openly sexual. Period. Especially not in the age group of people likely to wear "Porn star" shirts. However, mainstream media and advertisement just looooooooves to use porn references to titillate the customer, and to create the illusion that buying their product will make the customer more daring without actually needing to indulge in any kind of oh-so-sinful sexual interaction. That disgusts me. I see those shirts as just another example of this trend.
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Gumdrop Girl
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Pornography, part of your daily balanced breakfast...

Personally, i find the PornStar and Playboy clothing lines pretty distasteful. Personally, if I was gonna spend $25 for a girlie t-shirt to endorse a certain brand of pornography, I'd go for something a little more meritable (if anyone has any idea what I'm talking about, I am having trouble articulating my thoughts).

anyway, like lemming, imho, i don't like when really young people (esp those who are too young to be buying Playboy, but are somehow allowed to wear it?) don such apparel because it seems they are labellng themselves as sexual objects. While this in itself is not bad -- we're all sexual beings -- but I find it distasteful in mixed company. I was always pretty aware if somebody was looking at me "that way," and when i was young, it always gave me the heebie jeebies.

anyway, it just draws a lot of unwanted attention.

clear up, brain!!! start making some sense!

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Touchstone
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Ha Ha Ha

This kid last yearr (who i hate utterly, he's mean) wore a hat with a bunny on it alot...i didn't get at the time (i'm still rather ignorant) but now i understand why the teachers made him take it off, and why the principal said he couldn't wear it anymore.

As for clothing with porn logos, if someone really wants to wear a shirt with the playboy bunny, i don't see how its different than a nike sign, or other such logos. whatever floats your boat.

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I want the money upfront before I wear a Playboy shirt. Seriously, if my boobs are going to be someone else's billboard, I damn well better be getting paid for it, and that goes for all corporate logos. Touchstone, I agree with you mostly on the bunny being like the Nike swoosh and so on and so on, but it does bother me to see things like that on kids who are underage. If I wanted a shirt to represent my sexuality, I'd get one of the Scarleteen ones, or maybe one with a big sparkly vibrator on the front; isn't it better to own your sexuality (and its representations) than borrow a mass-marketed one?

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I have only one thought on the matter: SW33T!

Maybe if it gains enough mainstream attention there will be enough scrutiny to where 90% of porn isn't artistic garbage. For being the worlds oldest artform there sure is a lot of really bad porn out there! I mean, the playboy channel, I can't even watch that crap... maybe on mute, but otherwise it's just WAY too annoying (yes, I refering to all of their programming).


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I wouldn't wear a Playboy shirt, just because I don't like Playboy. I'm not going to advertize something that I don't enjoy. Scarleteen is a much better idea, even though it isn't porn. When I wear my Scarleteen "Pure Vixen" shirt, I feel totally hot and in charge of my sexuality. It lets other people know something about how I perceive myself, as opposed to the bunny shirts which don't tell you much at all. And then, when people ask where I got the cool shirt, I can advertize for Scarleteen! Much better idea there.

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hmmm... i own a PlayBoy Bunny shirt... sparkly pink... and i got my friend a matching one for her b-day... red... i dunno... i tihkn my main reason for getting it was i like the bunny... its a cute bunny...

as for porn... i'm not a fan... any one else can do whatever they want... but its just not for me... never seen it... not intentionally anyway... and never going to... intentionally... at least i'm supposing... anyway... ooo that goes for my bf as well.... yah... i'm just a tadbit jealous when it comes to my bf watching a bunch of people doing who knows what... =) it makes me happy to know porns not for him either lol...

anywat... i think its fun to wear my shirt... i agree with the person who compared it to nike... its all the same to me... and if anyone makes any unwanted remarks... i dunt mind standing up for myself and saying something back...

i'm a feminist that wears playboy bunny shirts... how does that work? ehhh... watever... i'm complicated wat can i say =) lol i think i just like anything cute and anything tight... so i got a small shirt... with a cute glittery bunny on it... thats all =)


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Celtic Daisy
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Y'know, i would never have a real problem with mainstreaming porn. I don't see a problem with it. I would never be upset if i had a boyfriend who enjoyed porn because seriously, chances are i'd be watching it with him. I wouldn't feel bad if i had a boyfriend who enjoyed it because i know it doesn't mean anything. It's just a form of entertainment and enjoyment, and the story line doesn't matter, the people involved doesn't matter, i think it's just that you get to see sex and get turned on. It's no big deal in my mind, but then again, i have a very open mind.

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this got me to thinking about the issue, and honestly i'd never really thought about it before. actually playboy magazine and pornography in general depresses me hugely maybe partially due to my ED-NOS/body dysmorphic stuff (blah blah blah) but... i have probably two playboy t-shirts. there's "I (heart) (playboy bunny)" and then "property of playboy athletic dept." or something like that, and i bought the shirts SPECIFICALLY because wearing the playboy logo appealed to me. maybe it's like laughing at what scares you, joking about serious issues like death or rape to cope? or african-americans using the n-word with each other. not that i'm equating porn to rape or death or anything, but i know that i hate playboy because it makes me feel weak and ugly and wearing the shirt almost makes me feel like i'm taking away that power they have over me? i know technically that's stupid and i'm giving them money and promoting their magazine/various products, but somehow it makes me feel better about everything.
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porn is just a part of life (especially if you live in the porn capital of the world, haha) and i see nothing wrong with having it on shirts or on my mug: it's just one of life's jokes that we can always get a giggle out of.
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Here's a new example of this phenomenon to consider: the clothing retailer Abercrombie & Fitch has angered parents by introducing a line of thongs aimed at 10- to 16-year old girls. The thongs have slogans on them like "Eye Candy" and "Wink, Wink". One of them also has a cherry on it. Since some of that age group is who this Web site is aimed at, I think this is a pretty good place to talk about this.

Anyone out there in that age group like this clothing line? Dislike it? Do you resent that adults are upset about this? Do you ever feel pressure to dress provocatively?

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I would be more pissed off with the adults that are trying to sell clothes to teens using sex so prominently in their marketing. Yes, teens are sexually active but that is no excuse to jump on that aspect and develop an even more potent culture that forces young people to worry about sex before they necessarily need to. Callous.

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The thongs are certainly in poor taste. I woudn't purchase them for a 10-year-old daughter. But then again, have you seen the beauty contests for 6-year-old girls? It's really big time in some places. I watched a television documentary on them and was revolted.

I don't know where some parents get their values.

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