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This festival is the source of some controversy in my old hometown. Is there cause for that? Is this perfectly acceptable?

It's the same idea as various other festivals have taken on (most notably, as Bobolink pointed out to me, the Michigan Womyn's Festival), wherein the performers are almost entirely composed of women (save for some backup artists) and the audience (except for transgendered folks who identify as female, those few ale performers and boys under 7) is entirely made up of women, as well.

Is this an acceptable form for feminism to take? Do you think that this could even go under the feminism 'umbrella', if you will?

I think it's disgusting. Feminism should be more about building bridges than many people want it to be. Those who disagree with feminism (or who are under the impression that they disagree with feminism, because of the way it's been presented to them) are only going to be further turned off by something like this.

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Maybe we should address this from a vantage point of gender segregation whether it be male OR female?

Personally, I think we have, through history, had SO much gender sgregation that we don't need to worry overmuch about either of these two genders being able to have their own "identity." My concern runs more towards being able to work together in harmony, with each of us acknowledging and respecting whatever form gender idenity takes, and I think to be able to work towards that, we need more oppportunities to work together.

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(I know, I know, I'm supposed to be on break. I shall sneak back into my hidey-hole before Caro returns and barks at me. Anyone asks: you didn't see me here.)
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at Heather: *bark bark* *lmao*

On topic:

Well, I am with Heather on this one; we should focus on working together, not on working against each other.

I personally find excluding one gender pretty ridiculous, in a way. - I can't even explain it; I just don't know what the fuss is about that it *has* to be women only. This just smells like this old "all men are potential rapists/evil/supressors/whatever else"-thing, and I don't agree with that at all, really.
I think there are some few scenarios where gender segregation is okay and understandable, but a festival that is supposed to bring people together and make them aware of something, most definitely isn't.

On a side note, over here in Freiburg, we had the first ever "Freiburg Men's Day", which was a one day workshop aimed to provide a safe haven for men to get back to their roots.
The one day event was organised by several men's groups from here. It was men only for the day at the center where it took place, and the program included various discussion groups on men in society; the workshops included drumming, some kind of martial arts similar to Kendo, scream therapy and other things.

I really would have found it interesting, but alas, I wasn't allowed there, and the one man I know who went there (a therapist working at PP), deemed it terribly boring.

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How would we react to a music festival that excluded Jews, Muslims, Blacks, women, or Caucasians?

This is fascistic elitism at its worst. And they are asking for federal money and corporate donations.

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I seem to recall a protest led by the National Organization of Women in 1996 over a Promise Keeper convention which excluded women. The Promise Keepers are a group of men (of Christain faith, I believe...can anybody confirm this?) who meet in large arenas and basically pledge to be faithful husbands and fathers and to play active roles in the lives of their children.

To me, this doesn't seem to be something to be too worried about. The LA Chapter of NOW, however, protested vehemently against the Promise Keepers, and got the LA Sports Arena to block access to them since they only admit men to their meetings. An NOW representative held a press conference stating that it was "blatant segregation" that has no place in today's society.

Now that the shoe is on the other foot, I do not see anyone picketing or talking about how such obvious segregation should not be allowed. I think that is a testament to the kind of people we are dealing with here, people who don't mind a double standard as long as it works in their favor.

Men made the mistake for millenia of excluding women from things, I think the most appropriate way to deal with this fact would be to move forward and work together. It's kind of like your mother always says--"Two wrongs don't make a right."

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I do think it's okay to have women only spaces, if women want them, but I think that men only spaces should be an option too. I do agree that it's better for everyone to work together- personally, I don't frequent the women's room at my university, and I have felt somewhat uncomfortable there in the past. But if people want them, then people want them. I don't know what would happen if some guys wanted to start up a "men's room" on campus- the women's room couldn't really protest it without looking like hypocrites, I don't think.

And Caro, you know I believe that I saw something on TV about those men only days- it was. . . um. . . interesting, to say the least.

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Ugggh. It really bugs me when people do things like this in the name of feminism. I don't mind there being women's only places, or men's only places, but making them in the name of feminism bothers me. What would we do, for example, if a men's club was set up to promote chauvinism? There would be mass protests! This concert isn't about the feminism movement, which is striving for feminine equality, this is about feminine superiority, and it's ruining everything feminists have been striving for since the movement began.


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I don't know much about feminism, but i thought it was about making the sexes more equal. Isn't this just trying to make woman stronger?
I don't think they should be allowed to do this. It's just another form of sexism.

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