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LilBlueSmurf
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I was just reading today's Toronto Sun ... And i'm shocked. Here's the whole story, b/c i know it won't be there tomorrow (they take them down after a day or so ... stupid stupid)

By HEATHER BIRD, TORONTO SUN
BRANTFORD -- Okay, hands up everyone who indulged in experimental sex play during puberty. Everybody got their hands up? Good. There's a name for those of you who don't. You're called liars.

Back then, as now, you probably didn't want anyone to find out. But if word got out, what's the worst that could happen? Someone might tell your mom.

Yesterday, in an adult courtroom here, alongside accused child pornographers and drunk drivers, a 13-year-old girl found out that there are worse things than having your mom find out.

Last winter, when she was 12 years, two months old, she engaged in sex play with two 11-year-old girls who she had just met. As a result of that, Little Girl X, all 4-foot-10 of her, is now on two years' probation for sexual assault.

In passing sentence, Ontario Court Judge Lawrence Thibideau noted that he could give the child a conditional discharge but didn't think he should, partly because she hasn't fully taken responsibility for her crime.

"There's a requirement that (Little Girl X) understands there must be consequences for criminal behaviour."

And that sums up what's wrong with this picture. Tiny children commit crimes all the time. They are constantly assaulting one another or attempting to make off with items that aren't rightfully theirs. If their playmates don't cooperate, they smack them 'til they do. It falls to the adults around them to see they are properly socialized.

We don't criminalize the behaviour because we know children need time to learn the difference between right and wrong. Little Girl X wasn't given that same chance in her sexual development.

While she claims she thought it was consensual sex play, her playmates testified she forcibly French-kissed them and pulled down their pants to briefly lick their genitals.

"I had no idea it was wrong or else I wouldn't have done it," she says.

When authorities found out, they charged her criminally, even though she was just weeks past her 12th birthday. Since that day she has lived in different group homes, where she's afraid of the older girls who have smacked her "a lot." She hasn't been to regular school for 15 months and hasn't seen her disabled brother for months. From what the judge indicated yesterday, it's not likely the situation will change any time soon.

She needed our help, not more harm. The girl is the product of a dysfunctional home where both parents drank and her father physically abused her. And somewhere along the way she became sexualized at a premature age. She doesn't trust anyone and shuns intimacy.

"Being in care isn't good for me," she says. "I'm the type who likes to get comforted and stuff."

When she says this, it's difficult to resist wrapping my arms around her and saying: "Honey, we all do." But in that crowd at that courthouse, it might be considered assault. These, after all, are the folks who placed the great weight of the state on the shoulders of a child.

The concept of judicial overkill is not a new one, it's been around at least since the wheel was used as an instrument of torture. It was 18th century English poet Alexander Pope who wondered: "Who breaks a butterfly upon a wheel?"

We do, that's who. This little butterfly's been broken. That's the real crime.

My two cents ... I think once the parents of Little Girl x's playmates found out what happened, they showed disgust to their children (the playmates), who in turn decided that they wouldn't be shunned by their parents if they say that Little Girl X forced them into it. It was probably all consensual. But who's to say that a 11 year old can fully consent to something like that anyway? Oy ... I don't know.

Your thoughts?

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Rizzo
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That's pretty ridiculous... It thought the idea was innocent until proven guilty, and I don't know how they could prove this... it also hightlights the arbitrary (and impractical) nature of AOC laws. I think there really ought to be an age range (say, 1-2 years older or younger) for people under 18. If it really was sexual assault, I apologize, but I think you may be on to something, Smurf. Probably the 11 year olds only started freaking out when their parents showed fear/disgust.
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Heather
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Even saying this child was "sexualized at an early age," is REALLY irresponsible commentary, and I have a niggling feeling this writer is not well-versed in human sexuality or child development.

Most children, far younger than 11, participate in sex play and experimentation. That is not abnormal. At all.

I really, REALLY, want the cultural hysteria about child sexuality to go away. I truly hope more people start to realize how very damaging that attitude is becoming.

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PoetgirlNY
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I totally agree with you Miz S. Who could have possibly come up with the idea that children aren't sexual? Clearly someone who has a really bad memory of their childhood. Ick. I remember that I engaged in a lot of sexual play with my friends, who were girls, when I was about 5-8, and I thought I was an absolute oversexed perverted freak for a really long time. There is no reason a child should have to feel like that. And criminalizing it is just outrageous!

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Heather
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I honestly think the mindframe with that worked the same way it did in the mindframe for much of history that women were not sexual.

In other words, if we say they are not sexual, not only does that make someone appproaching them as such a very bad person, but it also means we can control their sexuality, or say it's existence is dependent on male sexuality.

I believe a large part of this sort of thing boils down to a simple mindset of ownership and control, as well as a mistrust and fear of sexuality -- if we say someone is sexual, then that says they may be used as such. of course, that isn't so, but it is for people who don't understtand consent.

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loveable me
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Children are curious about their bodies and others from a very early age. How much this has to do with a childs sexuality development is a topic of long debate in the child development literature. My job is take care of young children in an institution run by the city government. We do not discourage this kind of curiosity but we do not encourage "sex play".
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