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Lin
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I'm not sure how many of you have heard of the James Bulger case.

James Bulger was two years old when he was killed brutally by two 10 year old boys.

The boys led James Bulger away from his mother at a crowded shopping mall and brought him to a railway track where they threw bricks at his tiny body, laughing all the way.

Now, the 2 killers are about to be released.

My question is should they? Not only are they about to be released, they are to be escorted to another country, provided with false identities due to the numerous death threats they have received. In prison, one of the boys beat up another inmate.

Word is they will be sent to Australia.

When I read about James Bulger's death, I cried. Like a baby.

If the 2 boys had pushed James Bulger down the steps, or poked him with a knife. I could accept that as a child's curiousity. A "What will happen if I do this" kind of scenario.

But they led him away, brought him to a place they knew would be secluded, stoned him despite his cries and eventually tied him to a railway track where he was run over.

As James Bulger's father once said. "I hope James' spirit haunts the two boys for the rest of their lives." I couldn't agree more.

Should the two killers be released?

[This message has been edited by Lin (edited 02-16-2001).]


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The boys don't even sound sane enough to be released. Or much concerned over what they did. This just seems so . . .dirty, wrong, frightening . . .
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I would suggest a book in this instance, one about Mary Bell called Cries Unheard by Gitta Sereny.

In case you don't know, Mary Bell was basically the first widely publicized "child -murderer" (I use that term loosely, for reasons which are obvious if you read the book) and reading her story by the excellent author which includes the effects different instiitutions had on her, and her life later sheds a LOT of light on situations like this, on situations like Littleton, and so forth.

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I read a story on Mary Bell.

I came across it in this crime story library.

I'm just at a loss for words. Is it really child-like innocence and curiousity or is it something more. Something sinister.

Mary Bell is now out of prison and she fought to have her own child. To give birth to and keep her own little kid. As far as I know, she and her child are perfectly fine.

If anyone is interested, www.crimelibrary.com has a great collection of crime stories.

And reading some of them just made me wonder if what I read in the papers about the States being a really dangerous place is true.


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I dont believe its so cut and dry whether they are still insane or not. From what I have heard, they have been analysed and there states of mind appears to be improving. Ive heard it said that you simply cannot compare the men that might at some point be released (it is by no means certain they will be) to the boys that they were when they committed that horrible crime. All this means is that whatever they have done, there should atleast be considerations into giving them another chance. I know the old argument is that their victim will not get another chance.
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Mary Bell and her child are ONLY fine because they had to be relocated and renamed so many times (due to the fact that even after serving numerous years of her life, their home would end up literally under siege by locals trying to stone them both), that very few people even know where she IS right now by that name.

The trouble in situations like this is generally this: children who are exceptionally violent usually are so for a reason. And prisons and state institutions rarely treat those children, they simply incarcerate them.

In general, I just have to say that for the most part, if child criminals are "monsters" they are usually monsters that are bred, not born. And that's hardly their fault.

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<Australia. That's interesting. Weren't some of the first people to colonize Australia criminals sent over from various places, like a no-man's-land? That means that native Australians--*waits to get beat up by Beppie and ThisGuy...*>

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my opinion of the case altered completely when i read about it in depth. the 2 boys who were 10 yrs old also sexually assaulted jamie, and did really sadistic stuff like rubbing paint in his eyes. but strangely i think they ought to be freed. think about it : what normal 10 yr old would do something like that? it came to light that jamie's killers were victims of sexual abuse themselves and had been exposed to *horrific* films ( incidents in which reflect what they did to jamie), which is obviously not justification for what they did, but kind of explains their behaviour. they were clearly 2 really disturbed children. they are now adults who will have undergone therapy and are no longer considered to be a threat to society.

the mary bell case was kinda similar cause she was evidently disturbed. her mother was a prostitute and mary had witnessed her mother's s&m acts with clients - which again was reflected in the way she killed ppl.

my personal opinion is that disturbed children that kill are *also* victims, and locking them away is not gonna help matters.

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This is always the question, isn't it? What do we do with heinous criminals who have served their time? Should people who murdered at age 10 be sentenced to spend their remaining years in prison? If they are to be transported, what country will accept them?

In Canada, we have a serial sex killer who will have served her 12 year sentence by 2005 (She cut a deal with the Crown before the complete evidence of her monstrous crimes was revealed). She says that she wants transportation from Canada upon release. Again, what country would knowingly accept her?

Both cases are unanswerable nightmares.

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i think that criminals - providing that they are now of a sane mind and have served their sentence, should be allowed to be back in society , and allowed to change their identity and stuff. it's unfair to outcast ppl from society forever if they have undergone their punishment and they are not going to re offend, especially in the jamie bulger case - they were 2 abused and v. disturbed *children*.

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So does that mean that as long as we were abused and neglected as children, we should be pardoned for our crimes?

Hon, so many people grew up abused and neglected. Yet, how many decided to go around killing and hurting people?

You said it. These are 2 very disturbed children. And instead of sending them to some faraway country, they shld be kept under tight security to undergo counselling, or psychological treatment.

Not be allowed to roam and run in another country.

And really, how do we know if they are still disturbed? When they decide to perhaps hurt someone else? Won't we be smacking ourselves for letting them out?

WHatever the case, if they are really allowed to run free, I hope they remember vividly that they caused the death of a 2 year old and that memory stays with them forever.


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quote:
Originally posted by Bobolink:
This is always the question, isn't it? What do we do with heinous criminals who have served their time? Should people who murdered at age 10 be sentenced to spend their remaining years in prison? If they are to be transported, what country will accept them?

In Canada, we have a serial sex killer who will have served her 12 year sentence by 2005 (She cut a deal with the Crown before the complete evidence of her monstrous crimes was revealed). She says that she wants transportation from Canada upon release. Again, what country would knowingly accept her?

Both cases are unanswerable nightmares.


Urk...I hope she damn well gets transportation from Canada when she's released. Just knowing she was in my city for testing recently (and only twenty minutes walk from my girlfriend's house) bothered me enough.

As far as the issue above goes, I remember reading about that. I would've been twelve, and I remember how I was sickened by the very idea. Now, at twenty, I'm a bit more jaded, but I do not wholly agree with their immediate release and transportation from the country. I don't think they need to be imprisoned for their entire lives, but, in the words of many a military commander in many a bad horror movie, "The threat needs to be neutralized." I don't think those two should be released until all or at least most of the damage done to them in their youth has been fixed.


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quote:
Originally posted by Laughs_Wisely:
Urk...I hope she damn well gets transportation from Canada when she's released

well what do you think the country that she wants to go to feels? just putting her somewhere else makes it all better? i don't think so. not that she will necessarily harm anyone if she has undergone therapy, but seeing the bigger picture might make one more sympathetic.

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