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I think it is just disgusting that every single rap or r&b video I see on MTV has gyrating, jiggling naked women prancing around. I mean, how crude can you get?It's obvious these artists have no respect for women, we are meerly sex objects who are expected to dress like strippers and whores. I think these guys need to get some new material. I mean, C'mon boys, grow up! Naked women in videos just makes them look so stupid and immature. How does anybody else feel about this crap on tv?
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I agree that it may be rude and immature but if you think about it, it is a great way to get people to watch it. That means more money for them. In a way you can't only blame it on the artists though. The woman do not have to dance in the video. All the artists to is an interview with the woman and if they agree to it then it's there on fault. The woman go to them asking for a part on there video and are perfectly aware of the actions in the video. You have to look at thing from both ways.
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I think rap has just reached its lowest form. I used to love it but now. There is absolutely no meaning in it. No soul. No nothing. Sex and money. Wow. Meaningful stuff.
As ThisGuy said, sex sells. It really does and people capitalise on it. The way I see it, as long as no one is forced into doing it, I don't really care if bikini clad women prance around my TV screen and if Eminem keeps touching his crotch. I just switch channel. To Animal Planet or something.
Of course it is really sad that we seem to be regressing and not progressing. Someone kill the Lou Pearlman's (?) of the music industry.
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Seriously, rap is sex. Sex sells. There is nothing else to the industries today. So amazingly sad. Have you noticed how artists have progressively become dumber? I noticed in some of the videos they seem to have forgotten how to get their shirts over their arms. And, they have also forgotten how to use a toothbrush. Pathetic!
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I agree wholeheartedly with ThisGuy. I think that this problem is getting worse in almost every type of music that's marketed primarily to anyone between the ages of, say, 8 and 25.
Look at Kid Rock, for instance. His videos are just as blantantly sexist as many rap videos. Most pop videos (Ricky, Britney, Christina and so on...), as ThisGuy also said, are pretty terrible, too.
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I think that you are wrong that saying rappers have no respect for these ladies. I am sure that these ladies dont have a gun to their head and are forced to dance around naked. Sure these rappers are powerful men, but they just do what sells: SEX. Even the female rappers practically wear nothing. (foxy brown, lil kim (dam she looks fine))
Tell me whats the difference between a Jennifer Lopez in a bikini and a girl.
The fact is that there are women who wont degrade themselves but then they are the thousands who are willing too. Sure it is legit to say that rappers have no respect for women, but the real fact is that the women(in the video)dont have respect for themselves.
Peace....
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Do the world a favor, and buy Radiohead's 'The Bends' for a friend today.
Mainstream music isn't about what you hear, it's what you see. And sorry, but the general populace seems to like gyrating bikinis, not fine works of editing and artistic visual effects.
sad. this is why i no longer watch MTV.
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Yes, I totally agree. It's so sad that music has finally regressed to its lowest form. I mean, look at Britney Spears! For such a pretty girl, all you see her doing is bouncing her boobs around in tiny little bras and rubbing against a stripper pole while performing on stage for an audience of kids under 12. I'm sorry, but that's not what music is about! Acting like a prostitute just makes her look disgusting, degrading, and immature. She needs to grow up and show some respect for her body.
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What's wrong with rappers advertising sex? If that's what they want to do, who are we to judge them? hear's an idea: if you're REALLY that offended, maybe you shouldn't watch rap videos. It's time that human beings, especially americans who are born to freedom, take a stand and realize how much power they have.
"Oh no, the big bad rap video makes me feel bad, cuz that's not how I want to see women represented! Will I go out and make a new representation of women? Will I even take the time to change the channel and watch VH1 for a while until I cool down? NO, I will watch this and be disgusted!"
Give me a break.
By the way, I happen to be female, and I'd hardly say that rap is my favorite type of music.
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The problem with that attitude is that that sort of "music" - all the mainstream crap that is churned out these days - relies on McDonalds advertising.
Its all shoved down your throat 24 hours a day. That's how it works.
How do we escape that? ;p
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Pointless argument here coz there will never be a right or wrong answer for this.
But question. Why should sex even sell? Why should Yves St Laurent think that a naked Sophie Dahl will sell perfume? Why?
Why can't love sell? Or animals? Or nature? Why sex? I mean, Clinique sells its products using almost no models. They do well. So why does MAC need Rupaul dressed skimpily to sell?
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There's a really good film called "Dreamworlds II" that I've had to watch twice in school, once in my Sociology class and once in my Mass Communications class. It's all about the way women are portrayed in music videos. If there's anyway you can get a copy, I highly recommend it. It will make you want to completely ban MTV.
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Yes. Women are shown dancing naked, gyrating while men watch. Ok. Their right. Teenage girls dance in tight and revealing costumes, sing of their sexual freedom (and while it is heavily veiled for the benefit of the Disney Channel-age listeners, come on! What else could "hit me baby one more time!" and "rub me the right way..." mean?)the intent is obvious. So why not say "more power to you!"
Well, while these celebrities are celbrated and adored for embracing their sexuality, the girls who form their fan based are shamed into doing the opposite. They are forced to search for websites like this to find accurate and empowering information about sex. And gawd forbid they try and act as their icons do, what with all that sexiness and self-love.
The double standard just doesn't make sense. For celebrities to be held to different sexual standards than us "normal folx" is absurd.
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I just wrote a post about basically the same thing: Women being degraded on MTV. I mean it was so weird, like a day after I posted my note "Lips, Hips, and Gender Benders: MTV's History of Sex" and "When Pop goes Sex" showed on MTV. How uncanny but it just made me realize that things are only gonna get worse. I mean, at the rate their pushing the nudity limit on TV now, just think what it will be like 10 years from now! I think the most educating, or at least interesting or intelligent, thing that MTV has aired in the past 3 years was "Anatomy of a Hate Crime: The Matthew Shepard Story" But the only thing we can do to revolt against this is just not watch MTV. Or write a letter or something! I mean, 9 year olds are watching this stuff!
I work at an ice skating rink that is like the "hang out" in town and there are girls in 4th grade doing that dance where you stick your booty out and shake it up and down. Puh-Leeze! I mean in my opinion, this has gone way to far. This is why I wish I was born in the 50's so I could live in the 60's and be a hippie or an activist.....so I could actually get my voice heard about this kind of crap!
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Bear in mind that hindsigh is 20/20. Sara, I doubt you'd want to be a woman in the 50s or 60s, hippie culture aside. Both my parents were part of that culture, and let me tell you something: women did not have equal power by any stretch of the imagination. And activists only accomplished so much. I know -- I grew up with two very dissapointed parents.
I think it's also important to draw a line between nudity and sexualization or gender discrimination. I for one sincerely hope that a nine year old can see nudity (though not on television, but I also have never owned a television, nor would I plop my kids in front of one), because it's important to have a love for the beauty of the human body. Look at cultures where female nudity is taboo, and then look at how women get treated and feel about themselves. Not good stuff, kiddo.
But I think perhaps what you're trying to say is that you don't like the mix of capitalism and something being SOLD as sex which isn't really sex at all, but an airbrushed version of someone's wet dream. yes?
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I (as a chick) don't really have a problem with those types of vidoes. One thing that i do notice that is a little funny is that in the Rap ads for seeling albums, aren't they always yelling?! lol it's so crazy. i dunno if they try to get your attention by doing that. very clever use of ballyhoo (hehe kewl word eh?) anyways it's fun imitating the commercials. alright. thats all i gotta say.
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This is exactly why capitalism scares me. We all know everyone's in it to make money- and just as so many in this thread have stated, yes, sex does sell. Socially, it makes SO many girls...young young girls, think that if they don't have the short shorts or the tube tops or whatever Britney & co and the rap video girls are wearing, they're going to be something less. How many times have you seen a girl on MTV wearing a sweater, even if she is extremely attractive? Thought so.
quote:Originally posted by Gumdrop Girl: Do the world a favor, and buy Radiohead's 'The Bends' for a friend today.
Amen
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Posts: 19 | From: in between the moon & you | Registered: Jan 2001
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It sells..therefore is acceptable in society.
Why do they make rap videos? Instead they should just makes soft porn. Really thats all it is to me.
They give us all this perception that thats what ghetto life is like. When really, its not all about the '***** ' (using rap terms) and the money and the flash cars etc. thats not what the ghetto is about. They took something that was nothing and made it into something and gave everyone the perception that the ghetto ruled, and rappers are all cool and **** ! Half of them dont even come from the ghetto anyways!
Have you seen some of those guys? hello? Women wouldnt touch them with a 10 foot pole. Using rap video's to forfil some fantasy they have which involves half naked women is disturbing.
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