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Heather
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...how do you feel about it?

Do you know what it is? Does it disturb you, or could you not care less? Do you feel it can be okay, or is it all insulting?

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Some of it (in fact most of it) is complete and utter bull that doesn't turn me on in the least. So long as it only depicts and uses consensual adults, however, I've got no problem with it actually existing- if some people get off on it, then that's their business. I remember when I was 15 a friend of mine found a porn movie in her brother's bedroom, and we watched part of it. At first we just laughed at it, and then we got bored and turned it off.

However, there is some stuff that I really like. Some photography, but mostly erotic literature- my imagination works wonders. Although once again, I have specific tastes in that area too.


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Yes I know what porn is and I'm alright with it. In a way I think that it may be insulting to some people because if a guy is talking to another guy about porn and stuff and there's a girl there, she may feel she has to reach that high excpectation of being that thin and hot. Thta's one of the reasons why people have eating disorders are because they want to reach that high expectation that they think people may have, but in reality people don't excpect you to be like that. At least not at my age which is 14.
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Hrmmm... there are some things I can't talk about, 'cause I'm 15. I'll just say that even though the landlord says it's illegal, some people own cats anyway.

However, some porno is simply crap. Some of it is unrealistic, and warps people's view on sex. I think that pornography should only be used if the user is mature enough to realize that it is fiction. Also, there is a time and a place for everything.

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In a way I think that it may be insulting to some people because if a guy is talking to another guy about porn and stuff and there's a girl there...
Yup. Pornography must be handled maturely. Clearly, the guys Sullengirl's talking about are not mature enough to be viewing pornography.

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For some reason, all the boys seem to really love it. You should see some of the pictures they carry around and show to each other! And everybody seems to get those VCR sex tapes. I've even heard of really young guys watching it! I think it's bad, because boys see all this stuff and get totally excited, and then they try to get girls to fool around with them!
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Pornography bothers me in that so little of it shows any affection at all. I much prefer erotica created by people who consider themselves photographers and not pornographers, then it's more often beautiful.

Erotic stories draw me more than photography but the same criteria apply. If it's casual and unfeeling or about affairs I really don't enjoy it.

Normally I don't bother to try and find it because it's not worth spending the time going through the stuff I don't like to find a few things I do.

(I am 19 so this is legal where I'm from)


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Heather
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Nyam,
For the sake of this discussion, let's get on the same page a little: really, erotica and pornography, by definition, mean the exact same thing. People just use them differently.

So, when we're talking about "pornography," we are simply discussing any material created to induce sexual desire or gratification. By that token, erotica is pornography, too.

Many of us who work in sexuality (like Hanne, Chris and myself) are perfectly comfortable being both artists and pornographers, even though I'd guess that some people would tend to call our work "erotica."


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Sorry for not being clear.

I do understand that pornography and erotica are the same thing. Using the same word so close together didn't sound right and so I used the other term.

I also know that someone can be both a photographer and a pornographer. I'm sure you can agree however that not all pornographers are photographers. People who have taken the time to learn the art of photography stand out.

I don't have anything against pornography, it's just the majority of it doesn't appeal to me.


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wow... heavy stuff for a newbie such as myself to take part in... but i'm always willing

i did an essay recently in a college course on women in american writing, comparing essays of Gloria Steinem and Margaret Atwood. the subject was, of course, pornography. i tend to follow in both of their beliefs. GS says there is a difference between erotica and porn, and erotica is the far more socially acceptable one (or should be); MA says porn is now about power and control and is falling into the category of snuff films. yikes!

i'm not prone to go looking at porno mags or movies or the like, so i can't really say one way or another what actually is going on. but from what i have seen, modern porn IS about power, control, and seeing women merely as sex slaves/toys. which upsets me. sex and arousal shouldn't be about that at all. i don't know how anyone could get turned on by that at all. even the WORD disgusts me, pornography. it means PROSTITUTE! my god. i'm not condemning any kind of sexual arousal through the use of media... i just think erotica is more the way to go. it's so much more sensual.. much more respect for the bodies, souls, MINDS of the participants.

my boyfriend recently did a paper on pornography for his pysch class, too. in it, he probed into his own thoughts on sex; he found a porno of his dad's in the house in 4th grade or so, and was fascinated by this "man's fairy tale" view of sex and sexual relations. he's still dealing with his issues of seeing women as toys. pornography did nothing but f*ck him up majorly.

anyway. i'm babbling. i think i lost my point somewhere. alas. such is life.

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Pornography is absolutely disgusting. If you want to look at someone naked then look at your own boyfriend/girlfriend, husband/wife.
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As a male I must add my 2 cents. In my early teenage years (13-14, I'm 17 now) I was very into porn, like most boys my age. I found old videos of my father's, and I was all over the net looking at porn. I think that it is normal for boys and girls to be interested in sex, especially in such a form as pornography. Unlike most people..all the time while I was watching porn, I knew that this was not REAL. I knew that cablemen dont jus come over in the middle of day to do a job and then all of sudden start f'cking horny housewives. I used porn as a way to give me some basic instruction about what sex was as far as action. I knew that alot of emotions and feelings went into intimacy. If you are mature enough to handle it porn is a perfectly normal thing. Now keep in mnd that I am a guy..so ladies please dont persecute me. Everyone who participates in the making of pornography is 100% willing. The are compensated very nicely to do what they do. So I dont see it as oppresive,,Sorry :-)
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quote:
i just think erotica is more the way to go. it's so much more sensual.. much more respect for the bodies, souls, MINDS of the participants.

Well said. Visual stuff doesn't interest me. What's needed in any art form is rich characterisation.


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I know what porn is and i don't like it. i think most of it is the most gross, nasty, rude the in the whole world. i think if the people who are in the porno business had no morals, or respect for them selves then the would get a reall job and stop making them selves look bad. or what people say is good looking

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Heather
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Really, Lisa, we do. I know, chica, I publish you.

Joe, if you looked at the article this thread came off of, you should know that pornography is simply writing or art about sex, or for the purpose of getting someone aroused or excited. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that most high schoolers at one time or another have written a letter to their girlfriend or boyfriend that was exactly that -- a letter that included statements to be aroused. I know I had.

Many people would consider what we do here at Scarleteen pornography, and a great, great many more would consdier the authoring for adult sexuality publications Lisa, Chris Hanne or I do pornography as well: and on a literal level, they'd be right.

There are good people and bad people in every walk of life and every occupation. If what someone is doing is harmful, hurtful or damaging to another being, I agree that that isn't good, and that I'd avoid those people.

But working in sex doesn't mean that's the case, and in many cases, it can empower, educate and comfort people. I think what we do here is a pretty darn good example, and believe me, it's a real job. For myself, I often work as many as 100 hours a week, I have to push my brain and creativity to it's limits, and I live very frugally and simply, and sometimes don't even take home a salary.


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You know, to really understand some people you have to walk a mile in their shoes.

Pornography is alot of different things to alot of different people. In my own personal experienceit has been both gratifying, informative, and degrading. I started off in some small stuff and it quickly got more involved. Next thing I knew i was looking at total smut. I disgusted myself. Their are invisible lines in everyones own head that are called morals. These happen to be different for everyone around.

I see nothing wrong with porn. As long as no one is being forced to watch it or participate in it, it doesn't bother me a bit.


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You know, the one thing that does bother me about it is this... If a girl is giving her boyfriend loads of sex and BJs, why does he have to look at videos of other girls **** and asses? I mean, it seems like they are disrespecting us in some ways, as if our boobs and butts aren't enough to totally satisfy them!!
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I don't know, Hotgrrl. Can you really say that you have NEVER fantasized about someone else while in a relationship? Maybe you don't watch pornography, but would you have any problems with, say, reading a book with sex scenes in it that turned you on, even when you were with someone?
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I'm not saying that we don't come across things that may arouse us aside from our partners, that's perfectly normal... But to deliberatly go out and accumulate loads of pornographic pictures and videos is a different issue. My friends boyfriend spends a lot more time watching nude girls in pornos than he does having sex with her!
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I don't get the big deal about looking or even posing for pornography. (I don't pose nude just for the record) Sure it's a choice everyone has to make for themselves, but what's wrong with choosing to do it? Porn is just a way to arouse yourself and satisfy curiosities safely, and the people posing get paid generously. Parents get upset when they find out their children look at porn only because they don't want to think of their children having sex or having anything to do with sex. I only think it's sad when there's yound teenagers and children posing because they might regret it later in life.
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It doesn't bother me as long as it's not child pornography... Child porn is just disgusting and pisses me off royally.
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Heather
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And well it should, Pink.

A child cannot give consent to any sexual act, and it's a farily dangerous thing that can contribute to a lot of societal ills when we glamourize or sexualize non-consent.


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You know, my friend recently bought a few magazines with completely nude men in them (like Playgirl). When her boyfriend found her looking at them, he didn't like it at all!!
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pornography?
actually, i think that it is pretty funny. and yet on the other hand, sad. because the person who is participating in this, semmingly has no self-respect or any respect for her body. as for a turn on...no can do!

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No respect for their body?! You've got to have tons of respect and admiration for your body in order to record it naked and engaged in various private acts for the entire world to see!

But if you're talking about the fact that most porns don't flaunt very much condom usage, then I have to agree with you there, Ophelia.

Pornography turns me on (yes, I am a girl). Some aspects of it more-so than others, but it all turns me on to some degree. I love to see people open with their sexuality and confident enough to express their sexual selves. That type of free-spirit and attitude turns me on.


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I have the distinction of being someone who literally fell asleep while watching Debbie Does Dallas. Yes, it is a real movie. A group of us were over at a friends house and her brother brought out the movie. We all sat down to watch it and after about twenty minutes I fell asleep. I find most porn boring and that movie was no exception.

I don't have anything against porn, I just wish it was more interesting. I just don't get anything out of seeing some girl with about 5 gallons of silicone on her chest pretending to have an orgasm the minute some guy so much as touches her with his pinky finger.

I also don't like how it tries to cater to what I guess are supposed to be common male fantasies. I don't know though, I've never had a fantasy where the girl I'm with is an object instead of a person. I think maybe the porn industry is trying to base their stuff off the lowest common denominator. Things that might be more interesting and exciting also might have a smaller receptive audience and so the porn companies wouldn't make as much money.

I think it would be interesting to see female-centric porn. I've read a series of books about female sexual fantasies and the stuff in there is a billion times hotter than any porn I've ever seen. I'd highly recommend them to anyone. The author's name is Nancy Friday and the titles are: My Secret Garden, Forbidden Flowers, and Women On Top. She's written other books as well but I haven't had a chance to read any of them so I can't comment.

I like these books because real women wrote in and described how they feel about sex and what excites them. Anyone who thinks that girls aren't interested in sex or that they are less interested than guys should read these books, they'll set you straight in a hurry.

But as for porn I just think its silly for the most part. I've known for a long time that I'm much more like a girl than a guy in terms of how my buttons are pushed. Most guys are turned on by what they see. Well I'm not like that. I like looking at good looking girls as much as anyone, but I don't actually get turned on till something physical happens. I guess that is why porn doesn't interest me. Most written stories are about the same as the movies, but there are exceptions. I've read some stories that I thought were really good. Those turn me on. I just wish I didn't have to search through mountains of BS to find them.

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quote:
Originally posted by Lee:
I think it would be interesting to see female-centric porn.

I really enjoy the _Herotica_ series. Some of the stories are more enjoyable to me than others, but overall it's the best collection I've found for combining both good sex and good writing.


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porn? its not a bad thing. it doesn't really turn me on, but it can, i guess. some of it is plain stupid, but i don't see anything wrong with it. its good for exploring your sexuality and stuff.
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Star, are you allowed to link out to that? I don't think we can.
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Porn is also really hard to define. Is it just pictures? Explicit acts either photographed or written about? Or is it stuff that turns people on? Is the intent based on the creator or the user of the porn?
Didn't the US Supreme Court rule they couldn't really define pornography but they said they would know it if they saw it. It's awfully broad.
Look at the cartoon Sailor Moon. It's like TV7 for violence and the US versions of the show are considerably tame compared to the original Japanese episodes. It's about a bunch of 14 yr old girls fighting evil in sailor suits. There's nothing sexual graphic about it and yet I've known a lot of my male friends get off as a result of watching the show. They view it as porn-esque while I don't.

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hmm.. indeed, an interesting subject!
I think I've become desensitised to it, since it's common feature in my life, and my b/f's. I don't have any problem with it, it's not degrading, women have a choice, and they do it. Child porn, sick, no way; but between consenting adults.. I find it OK.
You should see my magazine collection! The result of many late nights and 24 hour service stations

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I am 15 Male and live in Australia.
I have been on the net for 3 years now.
In my time, I have collected more then 3000 pics, only selecting the good ones.
There is so much free porn on the net it's disgusting. It's particuly horrible when I come accross child pornography and the really kinky bondage etc... stuff.
However porn is a good way to satisfy old horny men, thus preventing some sicker things.
I don't think there should be a 18 year old restrction on porn, it's so easy to get anyway. ICQ 41070881 cya...

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Heather
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quote:
Originally posted by Kahn Richter:
However porn is a good way to satisfy old horny men, thus preventing some sicker things.

This is a complete stereotype, and utterly untrue. Not only does pornography not encourage any sort of psychosis or sociopathy, it cannot control those things either. How people look at their fantasies often has little to nothing with how they deal with reality.

In addition, the mean age of people who view pornography is usually between 30 and 40.


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Hmm i personally dislike porn..

kids who have the internet are at risk especially...which can then get dangerous since you dont know who they might be talking to...if you have kids..its best to wait till they are at least 13 before going in chat rooms (make sure they are safe)

as for porn..get something to block it out.


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I have no like for porn in general. But what does annoy me is when 'facts' are used about it to make it out to be this terrible thing, when the govt. want a scapegoat for the evils in society (because the NRA pay congress too much for guns to be the prob).
The most famous example is Ted Bundy. He is always used as an anti-porn example, but he only mentioned porn for the FIRST time AFTER he had been approached by the Meese(?) commission and told that if he blamed his problems on porn he may just get a life sentence rather than be executed. He blamed porn, and was still executed. What he did was undoubtedly wrong, but noone now takes account of the above. My RE teacher was doing this whole anti-porn session, and showed us a Ted Bundy video. When I told him the above he got rather flustered --hehe-- and didn't have an answer.
Anyway, thats just my opinion.

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porn doesn't bother me, it just gets boring. it's the same thing over and over, only with different backgrounds. the women are ugly( i know that i wrote down in some other posts that beauty isn't everything but these women get worn out so many times that they turn ugly) sorry if i offend anyone.
the guys too, some of them are ugly. ok some of the girls are pretty too. SOME!
But like i said, porn gets boring.
its cheap!
sometimes i feel bad for these porn stars cuz they don't look like their even enjoying it anymore, especially the women. The men too, it takes them a while to you know!
so anywho it gets boring.

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