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Nightwolf
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Why does everyone hate her? I personally love her (the tie is sexy imo) thats beside the point. I mean, sure she is a want to be "Punk Rocker" but still, she does have talent and she is fairly hot.

I just don't see why so many people hate her.


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Daydreamer24
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I don't hate her. I just find her overly annoying. She tries way too hard. Her usic speaks out, but Sk8r Boi was a little immature for my taste. She's trying to prove that she's someone when she really just needs to relax and be herself.
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wobblyheadedjane
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You know, what Avril really wanted to do in the music industry was country. I find that kind of telling about 'selling' an image. Country doesn't sell to teens, but smokey-eyed punked out looks seem to.

I find it appalling that Sk8ter (why the extra T? WHY?) Boi is being made into a movie, but that really offends my movie going senses than my musical ones. I won't run screaming from the radio if Avril comes on, but neither will I buy her album.


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herecomestheson
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I agree with the above statements. I have a thirteen year old sister who listens to her. The biggest problem I have is the whole 'punk image' in a marketing package. It's 'rebellion' in an easy to package and easy to swallow form. It's rather weird; I've asked someone what they listen to and they said "Punk" music, too which I replied "Me too". But they were thinking about modern mall-punk like Blink 182, Avril Lavigne and Sum 41 when I was thinking about stuff like Bad Brains, Dead Kennedys and Richard Hell and the Voidoids. Funny thing is I'm not ancient, I'm 17, so I'm curious as to why people would rather listen to something that's poppy and calls itself punk as opposed to the real stuff!

I recommend people read "Please Kill Me" by Legs McNeil and Gillian McCain for a well-done history of punk's origins.

But uhh...Avril Lavigne isn't my cup of tea.

[This message has been edited by herecomestheson (edited 07-31-2003).]


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Something doesn't have to be 'real' to be popular. Hence why extremely large breasts are so common around where I live, and why Weird Al songs are often better than the original. Nor do personal tastes need to be dictated by how someone else defines things. Personally, I'm not too fond of her, because I don't like voices that have been very synthetically altered, though I do love electronic sounds otherwise (and the *real thing* for me would be Devo or anything done on a Moog, not what's more often put in that category now), but music is very much a YMMV thing. And getting pretentious about it is as silly, pointless, and irritating as getting pretentious about anything else.

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I didn't mean it to appear that I hold these people in contempt! That's ridiculous. I just find it weird how two different people will perceive things differently but call it the same thing. I didn't mean that only 'real' music should be popular since popular music in our time is more or less geared toward glossiness than grit.
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it was the sk8ter boi song that did it for me. i mean, i don't really care enough to actively dislike her, but i will go out of my way not to listen to her songs. she dissed ballet dancers!! grrr.

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quote:
Originally posted by herecomestheson:
I just find it weird how two different people will perceive things differently but call it the same thing.

This realization is nothing new, we can look back as recently as 1992 to see an example. "Alternative" music had been so named because it was so vastly different from the poppy stuff that was selling in the 1980's. To be "Alternative" basically meant not to be Madonna or Metallica back then, so bands as varied as The Cure and The Jam fit into that category.

And then came Nevermind. Suddenly, "Alternative" music was outselling all the...well...alternatives. The Pop charts were stacked high with bands who had once been relegated solely to "Alternative" stations. Groups like Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Nine Inch Nails suddenly became the norm; while Nirvana bumped Michael Jackson from the number one spot and held it.

Pretty soon, the questions began to be asked. "How can you be the 'alternative' when you're the hottest thing out there?" "Does 'alternative' now mean 'pop', since the roles have been reversed?" The term is still used, but when it is mentioned I'll still picture Nirvana while my sister pictures Weezer. Different perception, same reality.

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Originally posted by herecomestheson:
I didn't mean that only 'real' music should be popular since popular music in our time is more or less geared toward glossiness than grit.

Nonsense. Gloss comes in many forms, and one would be deluding oneself by thinking that groups like Op. Ivy or Bad Brains don't hone their packaging to suit their fan base. It's far easier to point to a Britney or a Christina or an Avril and shout "poser!", but one could still make the case for punk bands too. Even if you've got a political point you want to bring out, you've still got to tailor your stuff in a manner that will get it listened. And that's true whether your Avril or AFI.

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Well, BruinDan, I meant the glossiness of "our time" meaning this generation. I feel my above comment made it seem as though my tastes only range from old school punk rock (lots of whom later recycled their old material or started up record labels mind you), which they don't. I was basically relating to a conversation in which music tastes were brought up but they turned out not to be similar only due to a time difference.

I completely agree with you in the above statements. Distortion was basically the coating for most alternative acts in the 90's (quiet verse - loud chorus - etc). I don't often listen to stuff on major record labels...just because I find it usually boring and overrated - not that all underground music is great mind you.

"Even if you've got a political point you want to bring out, you've still got to tailor your stuff in a manner that will get it listened."

I somewhat disagree and agree with this statement. Look at the Clash's 'London Calling' for instance. It's a work of art not only for the politics involved with the songs but also the fact that the songs themselves are so damn catchy. However, I don't think that making music listenable is the only way to get your point across. For example, New York's No Wave scene relied on discordance and noise to have an effect on people.

In risk of coming across as a pretentious doo-doo head I'd like to briefly relate a tale of me returning an album to my local record store one day:

"Hi there. I'd like to return this album." I stated
"Well...why?" The man at the counter asked.
"Because it was horrible."
"No music is horrible. As long as there are people creating sounds that are interacting with each other...then there will be no such thing as horrible music! But yeah...you can return the album."

What is the meaning of this? All music is objective. Who am I to judge what is good? I can only state what I don't like. Surely one can get into the ethics and marketing of the music of an artist but it can be viewed on a different plane than the songs themselves. As Lou Reed once said, "One man's bull**** is another man's art."


[This message has been edited by herecomestheson (edited 08-01-2003).]


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If you like Avril, that's cool, heck, once upon a time (a year ago) I listened to her CD on a regular basis.
BUT, the fact that she mispronounced David Bowie's name is enough to make her not number one in my book.

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quote:
Originally posted by VelvetWhiteStripe:
BUT, the fact that she mispronounced David Bowie's name is enough to make her not number one in my book.

Did she mispronounce it? Or was it just her accent?

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I grew up just a couple of hours from Lavigne territory, and from where I'm standing, she just didn't know the guy's name.

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I have to say I love Avril Lavigne.

I love her songs, and I think she's cute.

I went to see her in concert and she as brilliant.

Entertained me for an hour and half or whatever it was.

I don't really care about whatever image she puts out, I just like her music.

And as long as I like her music I'll keep buying it.

Whether she's wearing a tie and baggy pants or a tutu.


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I think Avril's okay. She gets annoying though.
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