There have been a lot of changes in the way people our age are treated since those fruitcakes up in Colorado went on a shooting spree. Most of them have been to our detriment. The assumption is that those two guys were driven to kill by something they saw on tv, heard in their music, or found online. That's patently absurd and defies all logic of course, but since when have older people been known to think logically in regards to us?
But not all the changes that have taken place have been ultimately negative. One in particular has turned out to be a blessing in disguise. Shortly after the shooting spree, the motion picture industry said they would begin cracking down on people who wanted to go see R rated movies. They've lived up to that threat, at least in my area. I get carded every single time, and if I try to buy more than one ticket, they want more than one ID. Crazy I know, but it has had an interesting side effect - many of the movies we might want to see are now being rated PG-13 instead of R. Economics trumps legislature any day of the week. The motion picture industry wants to make money, and they know very well that it is people our age who buy most of the tickets.
In the past it didn't matter what a movie was rated because anyone who wanted a ticket could still buy one. Studios didn't have any reason to push for a less than R rating. Now they do, and the ratings are being lowered accordingly. Often times a studio will include footage for the sole purpose of taking it out in response to the MPA giving it an R rating. The idea being that they can come back and say "look, we took this out, can we have our PG-13 now?" Fortunately for us, it often works.
Saturday night I saw a very good movie called What Lies Beneath. Go see it if you haven't already. It is the best movie I've seen since American Beauty. If you like Alfred Hitch****, you'll definitely like this one. Very scary movie. It had many members of the audience screaming in fear.
This is only sorta related, Lee, but I do have two comments...
First of all, I am one of the few, the proud, (in Houston), the almost-eighteen-year-old-without-a-driver's-license. Therefore, I have to carry something else everywhere for ID, and some movie theatres won't accept State ID's here because they are so often counterfeit. So where does that leave me when I want to buy an R-movie ticket (such as one for my fav movie of all time, American Beauty)? It leaves me carrying my freaking PASSPORT everywhere, which would be a hell of a hassle to replace, and dangerous besides. It's a movie, for heaven's sake, people. It's not a freaking handgun.
Number two: Please, please somebody tell me that it was the bbnanny that starred out Hitch****'s name and not Lee himself. I find this really, really, really funny. ;]
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Does anybody else find it funny (ironic funny, not ha-ha funny) that a lot of folks in the U.S. get more spazzed out if they see somebody naked in a movie or (gasp) two people having consensual sex but don't even blink when eight or nine people get blown away by an uzi?
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What I want to know is...How did The South Park Movie and Scary Movie get R ratings? Those had NC-17 written all over them. Not to say I didn't enjoy them, but I don't think some of the 8 year olds in the theater needed to see that.
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i agree with wild chica. I've gone 2 movies like that b4 like deep blue sea, and the blair witch, and there were like 8 and 9 yr olds. my friends brother who's 10, last year watched idle hands, and his friend who's like 8 was watchin it 2!!!! cuz my friend and i rented it and they wanted 2 watch it, but it was @ the part where the hand attacks 2 ppl ******* . and there was nudity. and her mom said oh let them watch it. and i was like omigod.
I have to say my parents are pretty open to everything like that. I've been blessed. If I want to see any R movie I can, they don't really care because they figure my brother and I are mature enough to handle it all and hello: A: they don't show penises in movies so it doesn't matter for girls B: I know what breasts look like thank you I have two of my own and C: most teens know what breasts look like so why does nudity matter? Not to mention you can see as much violence on the news and we all have foul mouths. So it does kind of bug me that I can see R movies at home, but not at the theaters. My parents think I can handle it.
And a few last thoughts. I'm from Las Vegas,Nevada, and we are sooo not as strict as the first post. My friends mom bought me and eight of my friends tickets to go see an R movie, and we were right there and she didn't even go inside or anything but no one said anything. Plus if you get caught in an R movie without a ticket they just say go ahead u must have lost your stub. So I guess I'll stop rambling now!
I'm glad the moviemakers are finally getting over their problem with showing male frontal nudity. I mean, the guys have been looking at actresses' breasts for years, it's about time the male-interested females in the audience had some eye candy! Posts: 943 | From: Missouri, USA | Registered: Jul 2000
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In was actually discussing the film rating system with my friend Gary (who is a grandparent).
Neither of us felt it is very satisfactory. For instance, if I am okay with a child seeing nudity, but not violence, a simple R-rating doesn't really answer my questions.
There is a voluntary rating system for internet sites that we've used at Scarlet Letters and Femmerotic that I like a lot, because it rates on a scale of five different areas: nudity, sexuality(smart people who see they aren't the same thing), language, violence and hate/bigotry. For each of those categories, by answering some questions, you get rated on a scale. So, for instance, something with a lot of nudity (nudity: 4) but no violence(violence: 0), or a lot of profanity, but none of it hateful would be rated very clearly.
That too seems a lot fairer than judging by age, which is a very ambiguous thing, and no accurate gauge of maturity.
The standards in my town are a little bit more slack. I was in an uproar when my sis (shes 8) went to see southpark! they let her no with any problem at all according to her. Of course I'm not too suprised, i've gotten into LOTS of R rated (and one NC-17) moves since i was 7.
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I don't really think that the R rating isn't that great I mean if these kids want to see the movie bad enough they are probably gonna get to see it anyway, I haven't seen south park or scary movie, i really want to see scary movie because I looks realy funny, 2 of the movie theatres in my area card you and one dosen't but it dosen't get the movies until the others theatres stop showing them. I think it is dumb, Everyone is intitled to their own opinion, I think miz scarlet, is right there are many differnt kinds of movies. ones with nudity and sex and language and violence, and I think they should all be rated very differently.
Also I think it is dumb to say that just because you're 18 you are automatically mature, I know quite a few 18 year olds who act like they are 14, and alot of 14 year olds that are alot more mature than their age.
I don't think it is very fair and I hope that they can get around an R rating, I remember last year watching the blair witch project, on video, and all it is is an F word fest, every other word f you, f that. that bugged me because I just thought is was stupid and it really didn't need to be in there to make the movie any better. well I gotta go now.\
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One of the points I was trying to make, but wasn't explicit enough about, is that I don't think ratings do anyone any good at all.
I've never been one to believe that young people are "impressionable." I think that is just a farce and an excuse to engage in censorship, or to hide truths that older people are uncomfortable with from the young. I see red every time I come up against that nonsense.
Worrying about what some kid might see in a movie is as foolish as it is futile. Futile because they're going to see anything they want if they've got a strong enough desire to, and foolish because it doesn't hurt them to see it.
Kids think about what they see and hear, same as anyone of any other age. They're also constantly reviewing their conclusions about life and forming new ones as they learn new things. This is a process which never stops. What this means is that there isn't anything in a movie that can possibly hurt a kid. Anything in the movie that isn't true will be seen as such, if not today then tomorrow. If there is something in the movie that is true that won't hurt them either. Lies hurt people, not the truth. Movies are entertainment, not education. But even so they are not completely devoid of factual information. Ok some are, but others make up for that lack.
In the long run a kid is going to base his or her view of the world on the sum of his or her experiences, not on what they might have seen in a movie or on TV. That isn't to say that movies and TV aren't part of those experiences, they are. But they are a very small part, and because movies and TV are understood to be fictional, they aren't the experiences anyone takes to heart.
There is a tradition in our culture to try and "protect" children from information of all kinds, especially sex. The idea being that by doing so they will somehow become better adults. Personally I just don't get it. How can obscuring an issue that someone will have to deal with in life make them better able to do so when the time comes? Imagine that cars were a charged subject, just like sex. Now imagine what it would be like to live in such a world. First of all the very word "automobile" would be one that would never be said in front of children, let alone the curse word "car." Small children would laugh and giggle about terms like "steering wheel," and "gear shift." Some would be beaten when caught doing so. This would go on until the child grew up at which time they would be expected to know how to drive, and drive safely. This is exactly how our culture treats many issues, sex just being the most obvious example.
Our civilization is one that is slowly and painfully growing up. Just in the last century we've seen the emancipation of women and the beginnings of equality among the races. I hope that in the future years, perhaps within my lifetime, we will see changes in how the young are treated as well.
I for one am tired of being lied to. I'm tired of being told things about myself and about the people who are my age and younger which simply aren't true. I'm tired of being told that because of my age I'm somehow fundamentally unequal to those who are older. The same sort of thing has been told to others because of their sex, their race, and their religion. It was a lie when it was said to them and its a lie when it is directed at us. Being young isn't a crime.
Movie ratings are just another facet of the lie.
But that's ok because I see the lie. I see it and I know it for what it is. For that reason I am free. I cannot be subjugated because I know the truth.
Lemming, I understand your frustration. I'm a passport carrier as well, because I'm not a driver. I haven't had to use the ID for awhile though, because I haven't been asked for it in some time. See, the legal age for everything, everywhere in Canada is no higher than 19 (18 in Quebec). I'm starting to feel so old...(I'm 20).
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In fact, here in Minnesota, even in it's main city, some bars and restaurants have been telling me they won't serve me with a passport. I start having all sorts of fits about being a citizen of a country not a state, but in vain. It's annoying. I need to remember to go get a license here. Ugh.
On another note, speaking of movies, we just rented "Anywhere But Here" last night, which I have to say, did more service to teenagers than anything I'd seen in a while. Basically, it seems to me that a lot of films that deal with teen issues (esp, those made FOR teens) end up insuting or making fun of them rather than accurately or realistically portraying them. One of the nice things about Anywhere But Here was that the teens in it were really three-dimensional, and in addition, it had one of the best first-kiss scenes I have ever seen.
Pixie...the movies are getting to be a lot more leniant about showing male nudity. Have you seen The Talented Mr. Ripley? It shows Jude Law's penis as he is getting out of the bath tub. Not a bad sight.
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G-General: Ought to be C for children or D for Disney. P for Preschool might work well too. Movies made for children.
PG-Parental Guidance: Not where this catagory gets its name. At one time this was what you'd call a mainstream movie. Basically its a movie with a higher level theme than that of a G movie but devoid of things that would get half-witted parents' panties all in a bunch.
PG13: Supposedly "safe" for someone 13 and up to see. Kind of a middle ground between PG and R.
R-restricted: Sadly this is the catagory people are getting carded for. R rated movies are what I'd consider to be mainstream movies today. They may contain sex, violence, "strong language" and other things that older people pretend would hurt someone younger. But they are also the ones that can tell the most interesting stories.
NC-17: Created to avoid the stigma of an X rating. Henry and June was the first movie to receive this rating. Another movie was Showgirls. Basically its supposed to signify a movie that is very sexually explicit but not intended to be pornographic.
X: I know that this rating does exist. Basically its for porn. Not sure if it even gets applied to anything anymore. At one time there were actual movie theaters that specialized in porn. The guy who played Pee Wee Herman, Paul Rubens, got busted for masturbating in one years ago. They actually would station cops in there to make sure no one was jerking off. Kinda makes you wonder where societies priorities are. Maybe it does still get used. I don't know because I'm not into porn. As for XX and XXX I don't even know if they are real ratings or something someone made up.
While I half agree with tightening down, it really sucks the movie industiry can't see a fifteen year old might handle a film better than an 18 year old. I can handle films more maturily than my own dad, who is 38, at some points, + I'm only fourteen. Here at seventeen you can see rated R movies, + someone over eighteen has to buy your tickets to be let into an R movie. For some movies [like American Pie], you would have to have a parent or someone over 18 with you. The reason the rating system bothers me is my dad doesn't realize just because I see people having sex in a movie doesn't mean I'm going to go have unprotected sex + get pregnant.
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