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Saffron Raymie
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Don't you hate it when newspapers publish studies that say things like Testosterone increases 'risk-taking' behaviour, so XY people must be more risk-taking than XX people basically saying that we're not brave!

Then they say 'brain-scans' have proven that XX people can't navigate well, I know its probably just sexism, but doesn't it hurt when they try to explain it with science, and evolution to a lesser extent?

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By any chance, have you read "Delusions of Gender" yet? If not, I think you'd appreciate it.

It, like a couple other good books lately, does a very nice job of making clear that all science is not good science, and looking at science studying sex and gender like this with a very critical eye.

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Or rather, it's not actually science if they're making assumptions. I do want to read that "Delusions of Gender..." book, I want to start doing more reading in general actually.

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Well, in the case of the first thing RaeRay2112 said was stated, it's more than that. For instance, there are some XX people with more testosterone than some XY people. As well, we'd need to know how they were defining "risk-taking," what their sample size was, whose testosterone they were studying very specifically, etc.

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That book sounds cool. I read the wrong things. Like Elain Morgan's 'The Decent of Woman' which said (no offense to anyone and brace yourselves) that the clitoris was a 'vestigal' organ like the male nipple. Honestly broke my heart. I felt lost and uncomfortable in my body for days. I haven't even taken it back to the library because I refuse to touch it! I think that crisis was what lead me to Scarleteen actually, trying to find out. The book 'The Clitoral Truth' helped a lot too.

I didn't know about XX people having more Testosterone; peoples' bodies are amazing. I read somewhere (so could be totally wrong on this) that some people have less Testosterone or Oestrogen but are more sensitive to the hormone, so that would affect them more.

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Oh, that book. Yeah. Just...yeah.

If you liked The Clitoral Truth, one I like even better is Natalie Angier's "Woman."

A given karyotype doesn't mean a person has a given chemical balance (whether we're talking about estrogens and testosterone or other biochemicals): there is still an awful lot of variety on the wide range of types. In general, XY people will tend to have higher levels of testosterone than XY people, but not always.

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Sorry, I was trying to post quickly, I know that there's all sorts of flaws in the studies claiming to prove that men or males are from mars and women or females are from venus (note I am not saying that sex and gender are equivalent, rather that the two are so often falsely equated).

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Yeah, a lot of times they don't even meantion the social side - like when they said that women (interestingly they didn't use the term females) are much more likely to become depressed after a one-night-stand, it was all presented as natural, no meantion of the social stigma it causes and how everyone will be certain that the woman has been 'used' and how gender identity states that women are supposed to prefer romance to sex. Therefore if she likes sex without romance she is somehow 'unnatural'.

The newspaper was the Times I think Jill2000Plus as I see you're from the UK. The Independent wrote an online article in response stating that the author and a lot of other XX people she knew enjoyed casual flings, dating and one night stands.

I had that a few years ago, I have sex with my friend and everyone said how he 'used' me and I got upset...but then I spoke to him and he said 'no, we both wanted to have sex, nobody manipulated anyone, and we're still close friends in my view.' I was sat there wondering why I'd been upset, how everyone had made me think that something had been 'done to' me.

It was a little easier for them to say that though, as he was 25 and I was 16; and he was in a position of power as an entertainer but I liked him as a person, not as a performer. We remained friends. Even if sexual desire was a factor in our friendship, I think that's fine as long as its not pretended to be absent - and it never was! He said we were friends and we were, I could go to him for anything.

[ 12-29-2010, 09:53 AM: Message edited by: RaeRay2112 ]

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