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logic_grrl
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I think that for people who put importance on their gender, it's very good to have a re-affirming message on that importance.

Why so? It's not like society really has a shortage of messages saying that gender is very, very important.

And do you think that people who don't find their gender important should also get messages re-affirming our sense of identity?

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Aie!

Forgot two: "What Makes a Man" an anthology of 20 different writers (of all genders), edited by Rebecca Walker, and "Stiffed: The Betrayal of the American Man" by Susan Faludi.

[ 05-14-2006, 01:27 PM: Message edited by: Miz Scarlet ]

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Thanks for the list! I just plugged them into the search engine of my University library and we seem to have both the books by Susan Faludi that you listed, so I'm gonna go pick them up tomorrow.

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"there are relatively few things that most men will have to do to their bodies to be considered masculine."

Sorry, but as a physical male, wrong. A man has to be muscular, Wlak manly, have a deep voice, and be hairy. A man has to be strong and have masculine characteristics. I know all of this, my friends all think of me as feminine male, not in a ts way(Damn [Razz] !), but in a "geek" way.

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Culturally, THAT is incorrect. What a small circle of friends think does not make a global issue so.

Asian men, for instance, are rarely hairy, and yet, their masculinity, culturally, is not threatened by this. Asian women, on the other hand, who were prostitutes during world war II and vietnam, started the entire trend of breast implants because their femininity to their global male clients, was not recognized because they did not meet the widest, most pervasive (white) male standards of beauty. But that's a sideline.

And you missed the point, ultimately. In saying what men will have to "do" in her comment, she was talking about the fact that often attributes culturally attributed to "men" do not involve spending ungodly dollars on clothing, the cosmetics industry, dieting companies, hair styling, shoes, the works. Most of the cultural and global attributes considered "manly" ARE things which are norms and averages, by nature alone (men DO generally have more body hair than their female counterparts, biologically, men DO often have thicker musculature, male voices are, on average, often deeper than female voices, even if that isn't the case in my house), among most males -- on the other hand, most of the attributes fixed to women are NOT in line with how MOST women wake up in the morning, without costuming themselves to fit an ideal that is more often than not, very divorced from their natural appearance.

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Good point, I guess, just growing up having been picked on for not being the most physically fit or strongest male, I just wanted to share my side of the story.

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