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StrawberrySafeSex
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This might not be "sexual literacy", but I think this is the best place to put this.

I've been noticing lately, well, actually, my boyfriend first pointed it out to me, a common theme in popular music sung by women regarding sexuality.

At first glance, you're lead to believe that the women themselves are the sexual aggressors, guising as control over their bodies and sexualities, and blah blah etc.

However, if you really listen to all these so-called "women-sexuality-power-dealie" songs, you'll find lyrics like these:

Promiscuous by Nelly Furtado - "you expect me to just let you hit it", and in the chorus the male sings: "it's you that I want" whereas she replies, "you already know, I'm all yours, what you waitin' for?"

Buttons by the Pussycat Dolls, featuring six sweaty girls "dancing" in some positions you swear would be porn. The male starts off: "I'm reaching for your shirt what you want me to do?" and the chorus sung by the girls: "I'm tellin' you to loosen up my buttons babe, But you keep frontin', Sayin' what you gon' do to me, But I ain't seen nothin."

And countless others of course.

Everything here is being done TO these girls, not BY these girls. What happened to the sexual aggressor? Hmm, methinks she doesn't exist.

Any thoughts anyone?

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Hey Strawberry, have you read "Female Chauvanist Pigs" by Ariel Levy yet?

This is RIGHT up that alley.

(And, in a word...Whoa, Nelly. I've been pretty bummed lately that she seemed to decide to sell to the lowest common denominator. So wasn't the case her first two albums.)

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No, I haven't read it, but I see it all the time in the book store and want to. Thanks for the reference though, maybe I'll try to scrounge up enough money to get it.

As per Nelly, I noticed that too. Not that I'm not a little hypocritical sometimes, I do on occasion bob my head or dance to that type of music. I just think it's important to be critical of what you're hearing and seeing.

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Yeah, a lot of pop lyrics do involve stuff being done /to/ girls. When they're not singing about guys doing stuff do them in an agressive manner, they're singing about pleasuring their man right type of stuff. That bothers me too. What's /really/ lacking is many lyrics where a woman's pleasure is front, center, and realistic.
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Two words: Melissa Ferrick.

[Smile]

(Actually, when I'm more awake -- my partner had a 4 AM flight out for business, so this is darn early for me -- I could make a substantial list of female artists who really do bring it in that way. However, most of them are lesbian women, perhaps unsurprisingly.)

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Now that I'm waking up more, I can make more of a list.

May as well explore the positives, because this is NOT something ALL female artists are doing. Plenty -- albeit, unsurprisingly not the most visible -- DO present their sexuality as something they own, that is about their pleasure in giving AND receiving, that is not about just serving men or the male hegemonious interest, etc.

So, with that, in no particular order...

• With Ferrick, it's really "Drive" that SHOUTS out such a protect to what you're talking about (and lord, gawd, is it a sexy song)
• Imani Coppola (I'm thinking, expressly of "Count to 10")
• Ani DiFranco (SO much in there, but right now I'm thinking about "Shy," "Both Hands," "The Whole Night," and "Shameless.")
• Liz Phair: she's actually SO all over the map with her stuff. Some of it is in line with what you're complaining about, and other songs are very much NOT so, but it seems to me that just showing that whole spectrum, rather than the one side, puts her in this list.
• Fiona Apple strikes me as speaking to some of this, too.
• 7 Year Bitch, just period.
• Bikini Kill (and all other things Kathleen Hanna, gods bless'er): right now, thinking on this, it's "Don't Need You" in my head.
• Tribe 8: and yes, you're seeing a theme here. I;d say most women's homocore/queercore is very different than that stuff that's bugging you.
• Patti Smith (try "25th Floor")
• I think Peaches can go in here, too.
• and unless I'm misinterpreting, a couple of the Scissor Sisters songs have put a wry eye to this sort of approach, too.

Still a short list, for sure, there's so much more out there. But a positive place to start.

Edited because ohmyGAWD, how could I forget P!nk? How? I must need more coffee. In any event, new album "U and Ur Hand." Or "18 Wheeler" on the first. Or any number of hers, really.

[ 10-01-2006, 11:15 AM: Message edited by: Heather ]

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hmm... it's interesting how personal experiences and inclinations can affect what someone finds sexy in music. like for me, generally, if a song is acoustic sung by a guy, and if the lyrics are kind of personal but quirky, i'm more likely to think it's sexy. Anyone know Neutral Milk Hotel? That stuff drove me crazy for awhile, also pretty much any good song that is liked by someone I like, and has been made-out to. Anyone ever heard of Hope for AGoldenSummer? I'm also a Red Hot Chili Peppers fan. Mostly, I like a lot of obscure little artists.

That Ferrick song was pretty, and interesting, but I guess it was a little slow for what I normally feel to be sexy music. It was pretty funny though, in the version I downloaded she started singing to advertise her remix in the middle of the song.

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Oh my gawd, indeed. I saw P!nk perform "U and Ur Hand" on TV last night. When they said the title of the song, I commanded everyone to be quiet so I could pay attention to the lyrics. Awesome! Thought of this thread, but you beat me to it.

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Wow, great list. I'm downloading a few of them now. Drive is really good. (Although I do have all the Ani DiFranco songs you mentioned, she's a given in this category) Just thought I should mention, even though it isn't *quite* on topic, does anyone know any male singer feminists? Although it might not be spanking obvious in his songs, Richard Buckner is probably one of the most supportive male singers for feminist movements. His music is truly amazing, and his unique varying style from album to album and memorizing thought out lyrics are right up there with Ani Difranco's.

I urge everyone to check him out. My sister is actually the one who got me into him!

Strawberry

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(iheartdc, the topic at hand is -- I think -- songs BY women and female groups about sexuality, and the irony/conflict strawberry is seeing in women singing about their sexuality, but in a way that doesn't perhaps speak to their ownership of it.

So, not about what songs a person finds sexy, or about male musicians presentations of sexuality or women's sexuality.)

And yeah, September, that song is just SO, so wonderful, and it's just so cool to me to have something about women going out to hang out with women, with their girlfriends, and how even if women are dressing up to do this, or enjoying their sexuality in some way, it doesn't mean they are extending a sexual invitation to men.

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sorry -didn't mean to get off topic. I guess I just found it curious that I didn't get quite as excited about any of the music that's been named so far as I thought I would. Maybe it's the brainwashing of culture.

So, do any of you girls like Macy Gray or Queen Latifah?

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I think that's actually part of the point, though: that addressing female sexuality isn't always about making people feel excited/turned on, and that a likely part of the problem we're seeing in presentations of it, even by women, is an inability to even be able to view our own sexuality as anything BUT performance, or as something to turn someone else on, rather than the far-more multifaceted thing which it is; as the thing it is which exists of ours, which we own, even IF no one else is turned on by it, even if it's not FOR someone else.

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...which of course gives way to so many other prevalent ideas about women, masturbation, and sexuality in general.

The fact is this: In today's society, women are simply NOT permitted to possess themselves.

Whether this is looked at concerning the media's connection, (and the topic of this thread), or specific, (though certainly not characteristic of all) religious ideals about a woman's material value of being virginal and chaste, etc. it is no wonder that upon many girls' first sexual experience, feelings of shame and doubt is a common denominator here.

Either way, its intriguing to think how truly difficult it can be for women to piece together and discover their own sexualities, and what it means to them, rather than go by fetishized fantasies produced by, and marketed to, men.

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I'm thinking about being Joan Jett for Halloween -1980s style, with the wig. What d'yall think?
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I just listened to the particular Nelly Furtado song under discussion ("Promiscuous", and I gotta say I don't think it's that bad. I think it's very flirty -where they both kind of tease/give each other a hard time. Yeah, there's the element of the male in the song having confidence and being the pursuer. But they're calling /each other/ "promiscuous" and there's also lyrics alluding to him having to impress her and meet her standards for pleasing and respecting her. So to me it seems like a pretty two-way street. I guess I'd like to hear more about the problem you have with this particular song?
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No problem, I'll ellaborate! I just think that, *overall*, the lyrics are largely about him dominating her in a sexual way. Here are some examples, from his perspective: (I bolded important parts)

" you might be the type if I play my cards right
I'll find out by the end of the night"
"Promiscuous girl/Wherever you are/I’m all alone
And it's you that I want"
"I don't mean no harm I can see you with my t-shirt on"
"It's okay, it's alright I got something that you gon' like"

Notice that in all the above examples, they all relate to:

1. an act *she* can do for *him*
2. the desire *he* has for *her* and...
3. some inherent charasteristic *he* possesses that *she* can benefit from

Whereas she says:
" you expect me to just let you hit it But will you still respect me if you get it"
"You wanna get in my world"
"Promiscuous boy You already know That I’m all yours What you waiting for?
"But if I get lonely I’ma need your help"
"I can see you with nothing on feelin' on me before you bring that on"
"I’m only trying to get inside of your brain To see if you can work me the way you say"
"Promiscuous Boy I'm calling your name But you're driving me crazy The way you're making me wait"

Notice that these differ:
Timabaland names what *she* can do for *him*, Nelly also states this, implying that, in the sexual events possible to occur in the future, it is all about his pleasure, whereas whenever they talk about things regarding her, Timbaland implies things he can do *to* her, not *for* her, which is a big difference. (Notice important verbs indicate being dominated in phrases like "let you hit it", "feelin' on me" and "making me wait") Also, Timabaland has tons of desire for her, but Nelly implies no such reciprocal desire for him.

Therefore, overall from where I stand, the song implies typical male dominance in sexual pursuit and *DOES NOT* counter it, as many pop artists would have you believe. It is only further perpetuating the idea of women as sex objects and that they are not empowered to possess themselves; but what is the most important startling notion here is the fact that women are now dispersing this idea too, and the "sexually liberated aggressive female" is nowhere to be found in at least these songs.

Does that make any kind of sense? Hope that helped!

Strawberry

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This is a fascinating topic!

It's not just newer songs that I have issues with. I listen to some songs from various generations, and argue with the lyrics in my car. I assure you, it's very entertaining.

I just wanted to say something about Peaches--OMG. Yeah. I have to be in the right mood to listen to that. It's the most sexually explicit lyrics I've ever heard, but it's great! "Only AA but I'm thinking XXX"? And that's mild. [Smile]

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Yes DarkChild, at least I think it's an interesting topic as well! I actually need to write a report on how different media influences portray adolescents/what messages they give them for my Human Development in the Family class, and I think I'm going to review these types of songs for sure. (Plus, I'm striving to be different, because everyone will indeed be writing about eating disorders which, don't get me wrong, is important, but it already receives so much coverage.)

Secondly: Wow all this talk of Peaches-- I'm going to have to check them out! I've heard one song called "Operate" by them that I love, but I really haven't heard of any other things they've done.

And I really wanna read Female Chauvinist Pigs as well, (in fact she was on Colbert Report sometime last week) but unfortunately, my life consists of nothing but textbook reading. Any spare moment I do get to relax, I generally... you know... eat... which unfortunately remains a necessity in life. Oh well. I can sleep when I'm dead!

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"I’m only trying to get inside of your brain To see if you can work me the way you say"

"I’m out of this world come with me to my planet
Get you on my level do you think that you can handle it? "

This, to me, sung by Nelly, indicates pretty clearly that he's got to meet her standards. "work me" in common slang can be referring to him making her feel pleasure, you know...

Also, Nelly /does/ express desire for him in the song, she says "you're kinda cute".
And this: "if I get lonely I'm gonna need your help" -isn't that about /her/ wants? The male could've sung that line just as easily.

The song ends with: "Promiscuous Boy
We're one in the same
So we don't gotta play games no more" (sung by Nelly)

I'm not saying this is a song about female empowerment. I'm just saying taking all the lyrics into account, it's a song about two people both looking for a hookup/sex (who were initially both pretending to look for something more). I don't see it as a song about male domination, any moreso than would be present in say, your average bar scene. I certainly don't think there's a lack of expression of female desires in this particular song. She wants sex. He wants sex. I don't care if you call it shallow, but I still see the two characters in this song as being on fairly equal footing.

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To me, the line "If I get lonely, I'm gonna need your help" *does* speak to her lack of agency in this. If she's 'lonely' (for sex, as the song seems to be implying) she's got two hands. It's the same kind of response we'd give a user here at Scarleteen.

Strawberry, wasn't that Colbert Report a great episode? I loved that he interviewed Ariel Levy, and the Feminists in the Kitchen segment could have fallen flat easily but he was so obviously interested and pleased by Steinhem and Fonda that it worked well.

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I don't know how many people have heard of her, but I kind of like Aimee Allen's take on this, however amusing it may sound. (All of her lyrics so far are posted here -- http://members.aol.com/alternagirl/aalyrics.html [PROFANITY WARNING!!] and this is what I'm pulling from)

Not Your Girlfriend

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When I'm done
I'll let you know
I want you
To come and go

I don't want your nu-umber
I don't want your la-ast name
I don't want to meet your mo-other
Unless she's better or the same

Just hit and run, don't be gun shy
Don't speak 'til you say goodbye
I'll be okay, I'll be alright
I just want you for tonight...

I don't have to call
I don't wanna need you
I am not your girlfriend
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I personally see it as a woman keeping the boundaries of the situation pretty clear. In another version, she has a line "I'll break your knees before you run, if I'm not done" -- this seems pretty..dominant, to say the least.

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I also forgot to put both Nellie McKay and Queen Latifah (and that is a SERIOUS overisight, I mean, see the classic below from her) in my list and feel like a toad.

quote:
U.N.I.T.Y., love a black man from infinity to infinity
(Who you calling a bitch?)

[Chorus:]
U.N.I.T.Y., U.N.I.T.Y. that's a unity (You gotta let him know)
(You go, come on here we go)
U.N.I.T.Y., Love a black woman from (You got to let him know)
infinity to infinity (You ain't a bitch or a ho)
U.N.I.T.Y., U.N.I.T.Y. that's a unity (You gotta let him know)
(You go, come on here we go)
U.N.I.T.Y., Love a black man from (You got to let him know)
infinity to infinity (You ain't a bitch or a ho)

Instinct leads me to another flow
Everytime I hear a brother call a girl a bitch or a ho
Trying to make a sister feel low
You know all of that gots to go
Now everybody knows there's exceptions to this rule
Now don't be getting mad, when we playing, it's cool
But don't you be calling out my name
I bring wrath to those who disrespect me like a dame
That's why I'm talking, one day I was walking down the block
I had my cutoff shorts on right cause it was crazy hot
I walked past these dudes when they passed me
One of 'em felt my booty, he was nasty
I turned around red, somebody was catching the wrath
Then the little one said (Yeah me bitch) and laughed
Since he was with his boys he tried to break fly
Huh, I punched him dead in his eye and said "Who you calling a bitch?"

(Here we go)
[Chorus]

I hit the bottom, there ain't nowhere else to go but up
Bad days at work, give you an attitude then you were rough
And take it out on me but that's about enough
You put your hands on me again I'll put your *** in handcuffs
I guess I fell so deep in love I grew dependency
I was too blind to see just how it was affecting me
All I knew was you, you was all the man I had
And I was scared to let you go, even though you treated me bad
But I don't want my kids to see me getting beat down
By daddy smacking mommy all around
You say I'm nothing without ya, but I'm nothing with ya
A man don't really love you if he hits ya
This is my notice to the door, I'm not taking it no more
I'm not your personal whore, that's not what I'm here for
And nothing good gonna come to ya til you do right by me
Brother you wait and see (Who you calling a bitch?)

(Here we go)
[Chorus]

What's going on in your mind is what I ask ya
But like Yo-Yo, you don't hear me though
You wear a rag around your head and you call yourself
A "Gangsta Bitch" now that you saw Apache's video
I saw you wilding, acting like a fool
I peeped you out the window jumping girls after school
But where did all of this come from?
A minute ago, you was a nerd and nobody ever heard of ya
Now you a wannabe... hard
You barely know your ABC's, please
There's plenty of people out there with triggers ready to pull it
Why you trying to jump in front of the bullet (Young lady)
Uh, and real bad girls are the silent type
Ain't none of this work getting your face sliced
Cause that's what happened to your homegirl, right? Bucking with nobody
She got to wear that for life (Who you calling a bitch?)

(Here we go)



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"To me, the line "If I get lonely, I'm gonna need your help" *does* speak to her lack of agency in this. If she's 'lonely' (for sex, as the song seems to be implying) she's got two hands."

But masturbation is /not/ the same as sex for a lot of people, and I maintain the guy in the song could have sung those lyrics just the same. Is he exhibiting a "lack of agency", b/c he feels he needs a girl to help him fulfill his needs? I think you'd hardly say so.

For the record, I had said Queen Latifah above, actually. She's pretty awesome.

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But he DIDN'T sing those lyrics, and culturally, it is a pervasive message that men do NOT need women for sexual fulfillment, and that women DO need men for such.

So ruminating about IF he'd have sung them strikes me as senseless, since sure, he could have, but those were HER lyrics she chose for herself, and it's hardly a surprise, given.

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"it is a pervasive message that men do NOT need women for sexual fulfillment"

Really? I can't quite agree. I think in our culture there's a pretty overwhelming assumption that men need women for such. I think his lyrics about wanting her are pretty similar to her lyrics about needing him.

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But even then, look at the words you're using. He WANTS her but she NEEDS him. The difference between the two terms is pretty important, and I think it speaks to exactly the kind of pervasive message exhibited in the song, that women need men for sexual fulfillment (when really, penetration, which is often what is implied as the basis of hetero sexuality, *isn't* all that fulfilling for women.)

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Yes. I was aware of that difference of wording. Maybe they're significant, or maybe they are just what the songwriter happened to use. I think need/want are pretty blurry lines when it comes to pleasure, and I'm often unsure which one I should use to describe things for myself. Haven't you ever heard "men have needs" used as an excuse for something (usually unjustly)? I just feel the word "need" hardly automatically makes someone the underdog.

"penetration"

I assume you mean intercourse? A lot of women have trouble orgasming w/o some kind of penetration...

I really don't care too much about the song thing one way or the other, honestly. Like I said I never thought it was a song about female empowerment. There are plenty of songs I do have quite a problem w/, this just wasn't one of them for me.

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Wow this has evolved while I've been away!

I'm just gonna say a few things before I need to sleep...

To iheartdc...
1. "This, to me, sung by Nelly, indicates pretty clearly that he's got to meet her standards. "work me" in common slang can be referring to him making her feel pleasure, you know..."

The phrase "work me" in this context only loosely implies pleasure for her, as you would never *ever* here a guy saying the same thing. Rather, once again, it is about doing things *TO HER*, not FOR HER.

2. "Also, Nelly /does/ express desire for him in the song, she says "you're kinda cute".
And this: "if I get lonely I'm gonna need your help" -isn't that about /her/ wants? The male could've sung that line just as easily."

Okay, so she does express some limited form of desire for him. However, he clearly states that: "(he) was at a loss of words first time that (they) spoke" clearly referring to her physical/sexual attractiveness or appealing-ness. (yes, I know appealing-ness is not a word) So, whereas he clearly gets the hot & horny girl of his dreams in the event of this supposedly successful exchange of sex, she has to settle for someone who's just "kinda cute" or average. This is devastaingly important because I think it's pretty common that this happens, due to a variety of reasons: guys want what they want and they get it, whereas girls *need* guys for satisfaction and therefore have to settle for whatever. I realize that Heather and wobblyheadedjane brought this up already, and it's completely true. But also you said that "the male could've said that line just as easily", and Heather noted that he didn't, which brings me to...

3. Nothing, absolutely NOTHING is a mistake in television, radio, and any other mediums of pop culture or advertising. The people who write these songs about this subject, produce movies with controversial "hidden" themes in them, create advertisements with young preteen girls provocatively using a non-sexual object in a sexual way or is positioned otherwise KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE DOING. These people, (you have to hand this at least to them) know their stuff, know what sells, and simply put, are experts in their fields of work. Thus, every word you hear on the radio, (at least most mainstream, so clearly *not* solely artist produced songs) are decided with great care and great consideration to the messages they are implying.

Haphazardly put-together songs, ads, etc. simply do not happen. (BTW just as an aside here, I work as a server, and even the words and phrases male customers/managers use with me clearly implies negative/anti-feminist connotations. Not that this necessarily applies here-- I just got off work and needed to rant about that! [Smile] But I suppose that's a topic for another time!)

Next, to wobblyheadedjane: yes, that was an awesome episode of Colbert, you just have to love the show. I actually just started watching him a couple of months ago. I love how understated his humor is; although he clearly has issues with the United States government and etc. he does take a unique turn and instead of outright parody and ridicule, he rather uses more support statements. (I'm sure I'm not explaining myself correctly, but you probably know what I mean anyway!)

Thanks for the interesting discussion! (I just love to talk about something intriguing like this, its such an exciting break for me to decide what I want to learn about and discuss!)

Strawberry

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Excuse me, I'm as into "mass media is a conspiracy" ways of thinking as the next educated person, but a couple of artists that were named as positive role models are about as popular as Nelly -Pink and Queen Latifah, for instance. So it's hardly as simple as /only one form of reality will sell/, even in mainstream media. Maybe she says he's "kinda cute" b/c he's average. Or maybe she says he's "kinda cute" b/c they're flirting and she's not going to give him the satisfaction of knowing she's ready to bonk him off the bat -I've used language similarly zillions of times. It definitely tends to be more acceptable for guys to be clear about their desires.

"I work as a server, and even the words and phrases male customers/managers use with me clearly implies negative/anti-feminist connotations."

Oh, I wouldn't think of denying we live in a sexist culture. I grew up in the freakin' Bible Belt, if you want to talk about repressive to women. (My experience there is part of the reason I prefer "female chauvanist pig" culture to the idea of 1950s-esque conservative culture, although I acknowledge we're not where I want to be yet). I got on a bus the other day, and the bus driver (a man) was talking to me about a little girl that had gotten on the bus and gave him her money and demanded a transfer. He made her say please. And then he said something along the lines of "wow. she really presented herself solidly. her husband is going to have a lot to handle."

Knowing that I had so much to say at this comment, and the fact that that was not the time/place to get into a political argument, was kind of frustrating.

Also since I worked in a bar, I have all kinds of interesting stories about male come-ons. Since I'm usually thinking about sex myself though, I guess I was not particularly insulted to know that's what they were after.

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You know what's gross? That new "Fergalicious" song...

It's my little sister's favorite song now, too. Before it was "My Humps". Oh jeez...

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Wow, I actually haven't heard this one yet. I will for surely download it for my gawking purposes!

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every time i point it out to people, they're all like 'but your're a feminist, you should support women being freer with with sex.' it takes them so long to get my point
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OK, who could forget about Aretha Franklin or Joan Jett!?! Or Janis Joplin? Oldies ftw.

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