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Gumdrop Girl
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I'll post choice quotes from the article later, but in the meanttime check out this journlist's account of a week in the life of the guy who created Girls Gone Wild.

http://www.latimes.com/features/printedition/magazine/la-tm-gonewild32aug06,0,1675556,full.story

and yes, I was thoroughly disgusted with the guy by the end of the article...

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That's disgusting.

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"Eventually, Szyszka says, Francis told the cameraman to leave and pushed her back on the bed, undid his jeans and climbed on top of her. "I told him it hurt, and he kept doing it. And I keep telling him it hurts. I said, 'No' twice in the beginning, and during I started saying, 'Oh, my god, it hurts.' I kept telling him it hurt, but he kept going, and he said he was sorry but kissed me so I wouldn't keep talking."

"Afterward, she says, Francis cleaned them both off with a paper towel and told her to get dressed. Then, she says, he opened the door and told the cameraman to come back, saying, "She's not a virgin anymore."


I couldn't bear to read anymore after that.

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I can't believe that.I can't believe he did something like that. This was a rape. I don't know how you saw it but I saw it like that. That's totally disgusting.

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yeah....that is most deff. absolutly discusting....everything described in that article made me cringe.
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well, Lauren quoted the part of the article that made my stomach turn. i really wanted to punch my computer at the point.

but it gets better. this sleazebag like to sic his lawyers on everybody. a guy like him needs a dang good lawyer.

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Six weeks after that night outside Chicago, when I call Francis on his cellphone and ask him about the incident, he says he doesn't remember Szyszka and that he didn't have sex with anyone that night. He seems to lose control, repeatedly referring to me by a crude word for female genitalia. "If you print that, I will [expletive] sue the [expletive] out of you. If you print that, baby, you just put the nail in your own coffin," he tells me. "You are a [expletive expletive]. You decided to blast me . . . You are a [expletive] bitch . . . I will get my last laugh on you. I will get you." He then refers me to Burke, his lawyer.

In an e-mail, Burke says Francis and Szyszka did have sex—consensual sex—and that neither Francis nor anyone affiliated with "Girls Gone Wild" gave her any alcohol. "Neither Mr. Francis nor any of the GGW staff in or around the bus recall Ms. Szyszka making any complaint or comment about Mr. Francis. In fact, Ms. Szyszka was in good spirits after the encounter, and numerous witnesses have stated that she danced with her friends outside the bus for nearly two hours afterward," Burke writes. He adds: "Though Mr. Francis cannot speak to Ms. Szyszka's discomfort during the encounter, other news stories have commented that Mr. Francis is reputedly well-endowed."

why so defensive, joe francis?

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oh, and if her reviews are less than glowing, it must be because she's vindictive. nevermind the red marks on her arms.

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Francis sounds scared in the message he leaves on my office voicemail: "I've seen some excerpts from your article that I guess you've sent to the photographer and, um, I want to talk to you about it."

No photographer has been assigned to the story, and no excerpts have been sent to anyone.

I don't call Francis back right away, so he calls my editor. He tells her that I have a crush on him, that I have an ax to grind because I am jealous and angry.

"I just felt that Claire may have had a little affinity for me," he says as she takes notes. "It may have come out when she had a few drinks." He describes my behavior as aggressively romantic. "Originally she hit on me. That's how I met her. I took her to a lunch. She called me all the time and it wasn't about work. It was about me. I know when a girl has a crush on me."

He tells her I was drinking heavily—"we all were"—and offers to send photographs to prove it. When my editor asks if he put his hands on me that night, he doesn't hesitate.

"I did absolutely get physical with her—but not romantically," he says. "We were outside standing by a police car. The officer told her to quit taking notes on what he was saying. I said, 'There's no freedom of the press here.' I took her arms behind her back and said, 'Let's take her to jail.' I said she should go to jail and the officer agreed with me. She didn't get the sarcasm. She listened to him. She stopped writing. Can you believe that? That's the 1st Amendment. She's not a journalist. I stand up for the 1st Amendment. But she didn't." My problem, he tells my editor, is that I "wasn't smart enough" to "get" what he was saying.



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Y'know, what gets me is that people who defend him always say "But the girls chose to do all of that on their own." And that is a partial truth. But for every girl who lifts her shirt of her own volition, there's gonna be some barely legal teen in the back of the bus, drunk out of her mind being manipulated to do something that she's gonna regret come morning and not even see a penny of remittance. three pairs of shorts? is that your price?

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My son sent me a link to this article. But whatever a sleezebag Mr Francis might be, look at the reasons the young women give who are not coerced. They want to be famous. They want to be noticed by a modeling ot talent agency. They want the free t-shirt and the underwear. But it's not real. I think that I can count on the fingers of one hand, the number of Playboy Playmates who have kick-started a career by modeling nude.

Look at our current crush on celebrities these days. Even the supermarket tabloids have dropped "There's a Space Alien Living Under My Back Porch" in favour of celebrity gossip.

Somehow, Mr. Francis' models have become detatched from reality (arguably alcohol doen't help this). Is Mr Francis a cause or a symptom of our facination with fame? I don't want to defend Mr. Francis but his models are adult women who have signed model releases.

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Yeah but this girl Szyszka was just not consenting to having sex with him. Even if she were, he SHOULD have stopped when she told him it hurts.

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Yes, that would be in Canadian legal definition as "sexual assault". But what concerns me is the young adult women who willingly do this. Do they see it as a chance for fame, celebrity status? The western world is becoming a cult of celebrities, some who are famous just for being famous (e.g. Paris Hilton).

There is also the problem of alcohol. How many times have we seen, on these boards, young people who have gotton so drunk that they cannot remember what might or might not have happened the night before?

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quote:
Do they see it as a chance for fame, celebrity status?
Yes. I also think so, in most of the cases. If they were just looking for casual sex, why not doing it with another men that will be more accessible ? They want to do it with him because that men is famous.

You might think this is just happening with non-famous people but it's not always the case. Even celebrities do that. You might have think that since they are a celebrities, they wouldn't been interested in having casual sex with another celebrities for fame. But yeah some do. And I have my own personal sources that I hope you're gonna spare me to give please.

They brag about it, they say they got to have sex with this celebrity. Why bragging about it if this was not for fame ? They want people to envy them. I am not gonna tell names here but I know some who does that for fame, for their popularity that boost after they've told they had sex with one famous girl that has a reputation of being good in bed.

They really don't mind the tabloids talking about it, in fact, they do it in part because they want to boost their popularity by having people and tabloids talk about it.

I think people also do that to find more confident about themselves. They think that is they got to have sex with a famous person that's because they're important, they're attractable. That really boost their self- esteem. They didn't had sex with a nobody, they had sex with a famous person, hey, that's really not the same thing ! :) They just don't get the fact that celebrities are normal people too.


As for alcohol, yeah a lot of people get drunk and don't remember what happened the night before. This is why it is so tricky for me to determine wheter it is considered a rape or not. For example, if two people are drunk and have sex and one tells him to stop and does not stop, is it still considered rape if the rapist is under the infuence of alcohol ? If the victim is under influence and agree to have sex when she doesn't want to, is it a rape ? I guess not.

But I do know that it is not an excuse for that man Francis to have sex with women when they're under the influence of alcohol. It just doesn't seem right for me. It might not be rape since they agreed to it but I just think a gentleman wouldn't have sex with a person even if she agree when he sees that she's not in a good condition to think. Really, for me, and it's my opinion, I see that as abuse. I see it as taking advantage of someone by doing that. I don't really know about that man Francis, but if he does that when he is not even under the influence of alcohol, it just seem plain unacceptable for me.

And I pretty much think the reason he has sex with that many women is not as much for satisfaction and pleasure as for boosting his popularity ans self-esteem. He want to be envied, he want people to think what a charmer he is, how attracted he is toward women. That's what I think. And this just disgust me.

I'm still thinking about that girl, he took advantage of her for his own good, to brag about it after. It just shock me that he did something like that. The poor little girl, even if she agreed to go to his room, it does not mean she agreed to have full intercourse even if she was in pain. Really, I bet she was not the only victims there. Okay, when a boy who have this reputation ask you to go to his room, yeah, I must admit it is like almost 100 % sure he wants to have sex with you. You can agree, but when you are starting to do it, it is not the same thing. And every one can change their mind. I know she put herself in trouble but that men should have stopped.

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It seems silly to figure WHERE to put the blame on this guy or argue chicken and egg about it. To do so about a likely rapist (one who has sued the woman who he likely raped for $25 million dollars, no less -- and is also asking for the $36 he paid for her dinner back, to add insult to injury -- and who clearly has so little impulse control he attacked this reporter, called her misogynist names -- please, this guy has rapist written all over him, he's wearing it like a badge of honor), and someone who very clearly hates women save when they're filling his coffers feels more than silly: it feels plain gross.

Obviously, he is capitalizing on all of this, and seizing an en masse vulnerability for his own profit. Obviously, he's making a point of not sitting down with these women and telling them the reality of the situation: he's using their naivete, feelings of repression and/or desire for sexual performance/validation and unrealistic dreams of fame to his own personal benefit. Obviously, he's got a greater scope and control over all of this than the girls he recruits: he says as much again and again and he is CHUFFED about this imbalance. Obviously, he's the one with the big net gain here. After all, he's not getting just two seconds of fame and a t-shirt for what he does. He's not at any risk of winding up in the situations the girls involved do. Nobody is raping him then fighting about how many pairs of underwear they get in exchange. (I can't begin to describe how harrowing reading that exchange was, especially as a rape survivor.)

Does it really matter how much he's a "symptom" and how much a "cause"? Could he be a symptom at ALL if operations like his didn't exist, weren't promoted, etc? It's not the women who drive this market, who buy the product, who get rich off the product. Either way, it's clearly a win-win for him and his employees and a lose-lose for most of the women involved (there are other places women who have been involved talk about this, and how they've felt about it, especially over time. General concensus isn't a good one).

There's a LOT of different work out there on this guy and his operation (and he's personally got a record of being brought up on charges of racketeering, drug trafficking, child pornography and the like) and it's pretty darn clear who's driving this bus.

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I had no idea this thread was up... and I just mentioned Joe Francis elsewhere.

Here's something refreshing about this morass of ugliness. Yesterday I was looking at an online forum comprised mainly of college-aged men.

http://digg.com/celebrity/Girls_Gone_Wild_Founder_is_a_Dick

These young guys all think Francis is a dick. How cool.

Most of them couldn't articulate why, past the fact that he exploits young women for amateur pornography that isn't particularly entertaining.

A few of them, though, realized that his business exploits men as well. A couple of them wrote the following: (and I paraphrase)

Because Francis's business compounds negative female self-image, as potential boyfriends, these guys have to deal with girls' artifically-imposed insecurities.

Boiling down to - "That's why there are so many ****ed-up girls out there... it's sad, because that makes it harder to have stable relationships."

Young men realizing that our male-focused culture, via its objectification of women, is to a large degree responsible for women's insecurities?

WOW! I wish I could find those guys and give them copies of bell hook's "Feminism is for Everybody" and the big red book.

Reading those posts made me almost as happy as the other night, when my boyfriend, a Catholic Republican from Texas, declared that he was "very pro-choice."

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A lot of that was plenty refreshing to read. Thanks for passing that on: some of that was really hopeful stuff.

I likely won't articulate this correctly, but other parts of it didn't make me that happy, especially the bits with the, "They're mistreating our future wives!" stuff, which didn't feel so great to me.

I know, I know, sometimes I want too much too soon (though it doesn't feel too soon to me, feels like I've been waiting an age), but that just bums me because I want so much for the well-being of women to be considered separate from how it might effect men, separate from woman-as-wife-to-be.

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So true! We're not appendages to men (and conversely, they're not trapped by us).

I think there's something to the fact that we don't see a lot of young men participating on Scarleteen outside of sexual performance issues or pregnancy issues/fears.

Men are largely absent from feminist politics - and even though these politics are paramount to our experience as women, it's disheartening that very few of them are cognizant of their (often automatic & unconscious) role in affecting our lives.

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That's actually -- the majority of women at Scarleteen -- the case with ALL areas of sex education. Most sexual education books and websites have always been used by a female majority.

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quote:
Originally posted by Miz Scarlet:
That's actually -- the majority of women at Scarleteen -- the case with ALL areas of sex education. Most sexual education books and websites have always been used by a female majority.

Sexual education is also a lot less thorough where I'm from for males. I dont know if thats typical or not, though. My boyfriend said that most of what they did was watch "anti rape" videos.
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I would say that limited sex education for men (and women) is typical, ax. "Anti-rape education" doesn't translate into cultivating long-term respect for women, their personal/political struggles, the realization that patriarchy silently controls a variety of female actions, particularly where sexuality is concerned.

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Plus, men can choose to opt into lots of sex ed they just don't: sites like this, books they can buy as easily as women can, etc.

So, often, it's only limited by disinterest.

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