My favorites are, "But I'm A Cheerleader!" "Will and Grace" and when it was on, Paul's lesbian sister on "Mad About You"
Ok, ok, I'll explain. But I'm A Cheerleader is just super funny and cute. Will and Grace do more to promote stereotypes of gay men than break them, but as long as you know that it's not really like that most of the time, it's still a lot of fun. Will is also really hot. The woman who plays Karen is also bisexual in real life. I don't remember her name, but Paul's lesbian sister on Mad About You was really cool. She was very real and her sexual orientation was never made into a big deal.

I really never liked Ellen. She just annoys the heck out of me. I also think that once she came out, the entire show became a half hour of "gay time." It was as if her entire personality and identity was swallowed up by her sexual orientation.

Any thoughts?

OK, when I watched television, I never was enamoured of Ellen Degeneres' TV show. She is a great stand-up comedienne but never seemed comfortable with sitcom.

And I LOVE Rent! Most excellent musical.

~KittenGoddess

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I loved Ellen Degeneres' show until she came out of the closet. Then I found the show completely intolerable. Taking a firm stand is one thing. Flogging a dead horse is quite another. It was almost painful to watch...

Will and Grace! Will and Grace! So cute, so funny...whee! And I will agree about Mad About You. I thought Paul's sister was so cool, and really, really real.

#1: Ditto on everything people have said about Ellen.

#2: Mixed feelings about Will and Grace. Don't watch it.

#3: Movies:
I saw this really great movie which is, I believe, English...it's called Get Real and it's the coming-out story of a teenaged boy. His female best friend is AWESOME. All of the women in that movie are very strong and it was really refreshing to see them taking charge (particularly the female best friend...), and the love story and coming out are all very well-done and sweet.

I also loved In and Out--it was just really funny.

I saw one really bad movie which involved two girls... All Over Me. I personally thought it was pretty bad, but some people I was watching it with were pretty obsessed with it. Anyone else seen it? Any thoughts?

Can't think of any more. There are certainly a few now with The Generic Gay/Lesbian Neighbor or sidekick or whatever but I'm not counting those.

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About 'All Over Me', I wanted to see that. It seemed like a funny and entertaining movie from what I've heard, despite the movie having some typical stereotypes. The other movie I've been meaning to see is Kids... seems quite cool. Yes, yes, I know, I'm late when it comes to the film industry... but... some would just call me "special" :P

I have one *great* movie to recommed to you all, called ******* Åmål (or 'Show Me Love' in North America and the UK). It's a Swedish film with subtitles about an 'outsider' lesbian girl who falls in love with the 'it' girl of the school. I know, it sounds quite cliché, but it's really the best movie I've seen. The characters aren't as stereotypical as most teen films in the US, and the storyline is really strong. And besides, the movie is *so* funny So....go see it if you can find it!

I saw Better Than Chocolate when it came out with my mother of all people. First off . . .just don't see it with your mom, way too much sex, especially if your mom thinks she's "cool". I think it was really funny and sweet. Cute little love story. Unfortunately, I think it tried to tackle too many big important issues at once and ended up being swallowed up by all of the turmoil. It had the old standard of the first same sex relationship, trans issues, homophobia,violence, censorship, bisexuals=anything that moves stereotype, little bro discovering sexuality, mom going through divorce, daughter coming out to mom . . . it was pretty much just everything that could have possibly been involved in a movie about queer people. It was supposed to be a romantic comedy and although it was romantic and funny, it sorta ruins the whole thing to have to deal with the realities of violent homophobic skinheads and government censorship in the middle.

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Originally posted by Pyromaniac:
Maybe this is just my own personal opinion, and none of the rest of you have a problem with it...BUT...I find the term "queer" offinsive. I am straight, but I know some guys that are gay. Gay, [b]not queer.

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I know its just your personal opinion, but I've got to disagree with you.
The way I see it, queer can be applied to anyone who is not straight. I'm not gay, I'm bi and would consider that I am queer. Along with my gay friends (who I've only recently found I actually had... ).
Queer friends going out. All queer. But one lesbian, one gay guy and one bi guy (moi).
You see? As far as I know its the only non-offensive term (to me anyway...) that describes all non-straight people. And there's enough stupid divisions in this world for there not to be a need to create another one.
What are other peoples opinions on this? Am I speaking crap? (quite possibly!)

Frankly, there are other parts of me (and I'd assume that's so with most of you - correct me if I'm wrong), and I just don't feel those parts are being represented in the characters on the show. They're very one-dimensional.

Re: Chasing Amy: I haven't seen it. I have had the entire movie described to me in detail such that it's ruined and that I know I wouldn't be likely to enjoy it. Partially because of the person I associate it with. Maybe someday...but for now...I am being a stubborn girl and not seeing it.

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As for Chasing Amy: Yes, basically I agree with Poetgirl...I mean I have not seen it but as I said I have had the entire movie explained to me/ruined for me, and from it I have basically come to the conclusion that it seeks a lot of easy answers for things which are obviously quite complicated, and while that's what a lot of movies do, and the general public is pleased by easy answers, I don't think that I like considering sexuality in that way or at least not promoting those simple stereotypes and solutions as The Way It Is because things can be so much more complex, and they generally are...

On the 'Queer as Folk' topic, I haven't seen any other version but I did watch some of the episodes in the UK. I thought some of the characters were Kinda amusing, but thats as far as it goes.

I have seen "Show me love" (There was only me and another guy in the theatre). Agnes really was beautiful. I tried to make my mum see it, but she never got around to it.

I wish I was 18 so I could see original sin when it gets released, but I won't be. Angelina looks divine. And Tomb Raider will be coming out in Aus next week!! Time to go on a perv spree with a friend!!

House of Mirth (with Gillian Anderson) was released today and I will see it tomorrow. It isn't a queer film but I would never miss a chance to see Gillian on the big screen. Speaking of which, X-Files is on tonight!

Okay, so I'm obsessed.

Before I go, has anyone heard of Louise Siversen? She's the co-host of Backberner(an Aussie political satire) with Peter Berner. It's on ABC (in Aus) on mondays at 9:30. Kind of has the same hair as GA, but darker. She's my number 3 (after gillian and angelina).

Viva Angelina!
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It essentially argues that gay humour, if such a thing exists - it's debatable, is taking over America's sitcoms. It says that while gay humour used to be confined to nudge-nudge, wink-wink type subtlety, it's now coming out of the closet.

As examples of the nudge-nudge, wink-wink-edness of subtle gay humour in the past, it cites Blanche Devereaux's character from the Golden Girls, as a stereotypical brassy, sassy gay man, who happened to come in the body of a woman. One of the people quoted in the piece takes a similar stand in looking the more current Sex in the City, saying that "That series, featuring four very liberated women who like their drinks strong and their men plentiful, 'has a very gay sensibility, of being sort of detached and somewhat guiltless about sex. It's a wonderful example of gay-male characters written as straight women.'"

I just thought the article was timely, seeing as we were discussing this sort of stuff, here.

I also really like Elvira Kurt, the comedian. She does shows on Comedy Central sometimes, and I think she's pretty funny. I also think it's really cool how she's so open about being gay and how she's able to get up in front of a whole audience and joke around about it (lighthearted joking- she doesn't actually make jokes about being gay).

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"I could rip your eyelid off..."

"No, Don't do it! I need it to seal my plan.."

"Why?"

As for Queer as Folk, which i used to watch until my mom realized it was about gay people and canceled our showtime... nevermind all the porn that was on after it and always had been since we first got showtime.. but heaven forbid there be GAY porn.... *GRRrrRR* anyway about queer as folk... just eyecandy.. no real plot. i only saw one lesbian scene too... boo oh well

sorry had to vent about my mom

She's less like that with The Birdcage, but I know her attitude fairly well and no movie has ever changed it.

That aside: I still really love The Birdcage and will watch it anytime (But that's because I like the characters and am aware that it's not the most realistic thing you ever saw--not because I'm playing "Look at how flamboyant that guy is! Oh, he's nasty, but it's so funny!"). Sometime I really need to see the original, though.

I liked the characters. The plot, as was said earlier, pushed to cover _way_ too many issues. I just really loved the characters.

Will and Grace is such a great show! I absolutely love Will!

And I prefer Ellen's stand-up career to her sitcom. She did always seem kind of distant to the whole idea of being on a sitcom. But she is SUCH a funny woman and I am SO proud of her!

Oh, and I love Clea DuVall

-Veronica

Chasing Amy-I saw when I was 11 and geez, I think it really still hadn't hit me what being gay WAS. But I still liked it. As an 11yo.

But I'm a Cheerleader-I REALLY like it alot. It was very very very cute!! Plus I saw it with the girl that I like and a few of my other friends too. But yeah, liked it alot.

In and Out-WAY cute movie!! I liked it alot too. I've seen it a few times and I think I own it too. I highly recommend it.

Broken Hearts Club-I saw this with my brother not long ago. I have a movie ticket that says I went to see it in the movies BUT we had to do that because the movie we all wanted to see was like R or something. The lady at the ticket counter actually told us to do that....I thought it was very cute though.

Rent-I have never seen but I read the plot and I've heard the soundtrack and i REALLY want to see it!!

Better than Chocolate-I want to see.
Ok well thats all I can think of right now.

I was going to say something else but I forgot...o well. Any more?
*Kat*

edited for typos