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Lil_bridget
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ok my momma cant use liquid soap that comes in a bottle cuz it makes her stuff smell. so she uses the bar soap.
for lyk a year or 2 mine has had a kinda oder and i think its for th same reason, idk.
& i use the soap irish spring and when i get out the shower it kinda burns in my area

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You know, the vagina is a self cleaning organ, and there is really no need to use any kind of soap or douche to clean it.

A mild soap will suffice to clean the outer areas. The inside has a very delicate bacterial balance that soap can destroy.

One more thing, most all vaginas have a smell, and unless it has a fishy, or very strong unpleasant odor, everything is usually okay, and doesn't need to be 'cleaned'.

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Lil_bridget
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thats gross! u sayin i dont need to clean it, wow thats gross.
and it has a bad oder commin from it
id rather hear from someone else.
thats so disgusting! id neva go without cleaning myself

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Nightshade is right: using any kind of soap or douche in your vagina is a bad idea. The vagina cleans itself out naturally, and using soap gets in the way of that process, so you can end up with an infection. Since you are noticing a strong scent and feeling burning, it's possible that you have an infection of some kind, so it would be a good idea to check in with a health care provider to make sure that everything is okay.

It's fine to use a very mild, unscented soap on your vulva, but even that isn't strictly necessary; rinsing well with warm water whenever you shower is fine.

You might want to read through this for a bit more information on how the vagina keeps itself clean and what indicates an infection: Honorably Discharged: A Guide to Vaginal Secretions

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thats so gross, somethin is really wrong with u people if you think im not going to wash myself.
and its only when i get out the shower, so im pretty sure its the soap. gahh y'all r so gross!!

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It's up to you whether or not you want to stop using any sort of soap, but any doctor or healthcare provider will tell you the same thing we have. If you are going to use soap in your vagina, at least make sure it isn't scented and is as mild as you can get it.

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Lil_bridget, I also want to make sure that you know that we are saying that while it's normal to wash the *vulva* or outside part of the genitals, it can cause infections to put soap in the *vagina* (meaning internally).

Like Karybu said, no doctor is going to recommend putting soap into a vagina. There are some very particular cases when a vagina does need to be "cleaned" but that is uncommon and done with medical douches which are often prescription only.

If you haven't yet been to a gynecologist, this is a great opportunity to go and get this question of yours cleared up.

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Idk if anyone can reply to this thread, but if I can't sorry. I just wanted to interject.
I too use soap to clean myself, nothing w/ fragrance or lots of chemicals, but just something to keep myself clean. I think what Lil Bridget and I are struggling with (and i could be wrong here)is the idea of not cleaning the outer area.
I realize that the vagina is a self cleaning organ, but the outer area (mons pubis, i believe) is not. For woman who keep some hair there (whether short or otherwise), and especially if they tend to sweat, that hair can hold odor sometimes. This is why, for me, it's important to clean there. In my mind, it's not much different from using soap on the rest of one's skin, especially if it is covered by hair.

Also, since the vulva is kind of "closed" most of the time (although i guess that would depend on a woman's size, shape etc.), i would assume it's important to clean inside the labia. Especially with showers, because a showerhead (unless detachable) doesn't always allow for the best rinsing, (in my experience).

Again, I'm to trying to be antigonizing or argumentative, but I just wanted to shed some light on why (i think, anyway) Lil Bridget and I are having a hard time with the idea of not using soap to clean ourselves. I can only speak for what has worked for me, but...i could be wrong...it's happend once of twice. [Smile]

[ 07-08-2010, 07:58 PM: Message edited by: yeahgirl ]

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yeah girl, I understand what you are saying, which is why both Karybu and I specified that using soap on the *vulva* is okay, as long as it's a mild soap. It's putting soap *in the vagina* that is going to get you an infection.

By all means, if you want to clean your vulva with soap, go for it, so long as you never notice any irritation. Some people are more sensitive to soaps than others, so unless you've figured out what works well for you, it's best not to push things with fragranced or harsh soap (eg, oil clearing facewash=serious bad news for ladyparts).

BUT, if you ever notice a strong sent, and/or experience burning that doesn't go away, it's time to check in with a doctor. Since lil_bridget described having a very noticeable sent, she should be seen by a doctor.

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Well I've been washing myself for 15 years and never got a infection. so ur probably wrong.
and yea i have hair so thats another reason i make sure i was myself, especially when im on my period.

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You have, however, experienced some significant irritation.

And again, if you notice a particularly strong oder, you should check with a doctor. Do you see a gynecologist on a regular basis?

Finally, if you insist on putting soap in your vagina (and not just on your vulva. I'd appreciate you answering my question about which you're doing), please make sure that it's a mild soap, okay? Clearly the soap you're using isn't working out.

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Lil_Bridget can i just say; you're being VERY rude here to the volenteers and other members of the forum calling someone "gross" is very out of order because they're not being gross they're trying to help you.

As well as that saying that everyone is wrong is just throwing their advice back in their faces, if you dont want to hear it then you dont have to read it, saying they're just plain wrong is very disrespectful.

Sorry everyone it just really annoyed me.

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Heather
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Megan: this community belongs to all of you, so we're always okay with users politely calling out others, especially when they're breaking the guidelines, on the edge of them, or making any of you feel lousy.

Lil_bridget: vaginal infections are actually very unusual for children to get, so given your age, how you have been doing things like last 15 years (though I doubt you were washing your own vulva from birth) may not work the same for you anymore now that you've been growing into an adult body with a different vaginal environment than you had as a child.

I think it's been made pretty clear here that people were talking about the diffs between washing externally and internally. I also think it's clear that internal washing is what IS likely to disrupt that environment, information any OB/GYN who has had education in the last 20 years will usually give a patient.

Just FYI? It's not okay with us or per our guidelines for one user to have more than one account. Brittany asked us to close her account, which we did, a few days ago because she apparently hated it here so much. If this is Brittany, and not her sister, a new one days later to come back to somewhere you stated you don't want to be, clearly having the same issues, really isn't okay.

If this IS earnestly Brittany's sister, please, like we told Brittany, review the guidelines, and also, as we told Brittany, don't ask for information and advice and then argue with how wrong it must be and how gross everyone is. By all means, if you want to just ignore it, you get to, and if you really DO think it's wrong, we want to know, but ask for citations from credible sources of information on that we can check, not anecdotes, okay?

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i dont lyk being compaired to my sister N i was just saying, i think its gross to ot wash your self. & if u must know my sister told me about this site cuz i kept asking her questons she couldnt answer. i dont think it really matters.N i didnt say it was wrong i think its just gross. everyone i know was raised to clean their body. i just dont agree wit it. thanks tho. but im just gonna change soap N see what happens.

N as far as my sister i hate her so i could care less about what she did

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Heather
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I understand.

By all means, you get to make your own hygiene choices.

But if you want to know what health experts who study what's most healthy for vulvovaginal health have to say about it, then that is this:
• The vagina -- that's the part INSIDE your vaginal opening -- does best when it is NOT washed, but allowed to clean itself. Washing INSIDE inclines the vaginal environment to imbalance of bacteria and infections.
• The vulva -- that's your EXTERNAL genitals, like your clitoris and labia -- does best health-wise when washed only with water (yes, even for those of us with pubic hair) OR a very mild, unfragranced soap, nothing like Irish Spring.

You, by all means, can agree or disagree with those things, but that is the general consensus among people whose job it is to know what's healthiest for the vulva and vagina, and who also see health outcomes from things that are not.

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I wanted to comment on what i posted earlier...I was apparently a little mixed up in vagina vs. vulva. I tend to mix p the terms, for years I've gotten used to just calling it a "vagina" as a whole. It actually makes alot of sense to clean inside your vulva, but not your vagina. Sorry about that [Smile]
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No problem, yeahgirl. A lot of people got taught the wrong terms for their anatomy: it's so not just you!

Here's a guide for anyone who needs it: http://www.scarleteen.com/article/body/anatomy_pink_parts_female_sexual_anatomy

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FYI, Triclocarban is the active ingredient in Irish Spring. That makes it worthy of concern about use ANYWHERE, let alone on delicate genital tissue.

• http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/114795.php
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triclocarban
• http://www.cosmeticsdatabase.com/ingredient.php?ingred06=706622

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so i should change my soap?
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Personally, I'd advise that, as well as advising you not to wash inside the vagina (rather than externally, on the vulva) if that is what you have been doing.

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Here's the way I tend to look at it. Do you put soap up your nose? Do you peel back your eyelids and scrub up the inside of your eyelids? No-- because it would burn like the dickens! Why? Because those are delicate mucous membranes, just like your vulva and vagina. Perfumed chemicals have no business being near my ladyparts.

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So after my period, im supposed to not wash my lady parts N just leave all that blood there?
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You can wash the outside of your genitals - your vulva - but your vagina (the part inside your body) will clean itself out in time. That's why your vagina produces discharge; sort of like the way the inside of your nose is always making mucus, it's to keep germs and other things from getting into your body. But as mma pointed out, just like there's no need to scrub the inside of your nose, there's no need to wash out your vagina.

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Also? Washing wouldn't remove menstrual flow (only a percentage of it is blood) anyway. It's not stored in your vagina, but in your uterus, which you can't get to with fingers or sponges.

It's the muscles of your uterus and gravity that work out that flow.

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heather that wasnt wat i waz talkin about...when i get off my period all that blood thats dryed to my area, i gotta get it off somehow
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Sounds like it might help to look at that link up there, okay? "Ladyparts" and "area" make it pretty tough for anyone to know what parts you're talking about. It's clear you're frustrated with us not knowing what you're talking about, so if you can use the terms for the parts instead of vague euphemisms, we can all know what you mean without any confusion.

If you mean things like your inner and outer labia, that is your vulva, two of the external parts we have been saying are fine to clean with a MILD, gentle soap (not a chemical cocktail like Irish Spring).

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