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reigh
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posted 02-06-2001 10:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for reigh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I recently found this site. It has been wonderful. I haven't ever really felt open to talk to either of my parents an in here I can get advise there is a forum for getting my aswers and encouraging me to begin the part of my life I've been ignoring. I'm sorry if this question was poorly placed I coudn't really find a room for my discution. You see I began my journey into puberty very earlie esspecaily for a guy. It was in the fourth grade. I have been able to handle that. Unfortuanatly in the part of my life were I was suppost to be expirienceing crushes, and flirting I was hiding(7th grade). Not because I was gay but because I feared gay people. I feared relationships all together. My parents didn't make it they got divorced and I was afraid of doing the same. My father told me he was gay. There wasn't much way for me to handle the changes as it was. Then I was faced with the conflict of weather I could trust my own dad's or mom's advice. I found a few good sources like a book called "letters to my son" but most of these didn't come till much later in my life. I know now that my dad still had the my best intentions in mind and he would have objetivly helped me. I guess I just stayed in denile of any feeling I had. The first person I could really share this with was a girl I met freshman year Jillian. the sharing didn't come till later after we had know eachother for two years later. anyway it was easier cause we had been writtng letters since she moved away. I just graduated and am 19 now and I just began to relie I never lived my life. It was hard so many questions filled my mind. If my dad was always gay why was I born. Am I screwing up the world my freinds around me by being here. I couldn't tell my freinds cause I was afraid of ridicule. the answer I found is that I do also help people and if I wasan't born I would never had been there to make thoughs things happen. I aslo found that no one not even one person hated me as I expected. I am still confused on were to start my life again. most of my freainds are way beond the stges I'm in now. I havn't even kissed a girl yet. Were does everyone start I mean in relationships. What if any advice could you guys give me on how to relate to my dad. We only speak occzational during the year. It's hard cause he moved to seattle but I have the interet now(a christmas present). He has had the internet for some time now so we can communicate. Thank you very much for listening to my bable.

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Hanne
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posted 02-07-2001 10:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I certainly can't answer all your questions, but I can offer you some support -- I don't have a gay parent, but I know quite a few gay parents, and children of gay parents. It's not as uncommon as you may think.

Having a gay mom or dad doesn't necessarily have to call your life into question. Some gay people choose to have children when they are in gay/lesbian relationships. Some gay people have children in opposite-sex relationships, either because they choose to do it, or because -- and this is pretty common -- earlier in life, they may think that if they find an opposite-sex partner and settle down like we are taught we're supposed to do, their desires for same-sex partners will magically disappear and life will be easier for them.

It's not at all uncommon for someone who is confused or conflicted about their sexuality to try to make themselves fit in to the heterosexual (straight) mold: it is, in our culture, a whole lot easier to live that way. And a lot of those people also discover, after a while, that guess what?!? Their same-sex desires and attractions didn't magically disappear... they're still gay deep down inside. When this happens, often, the heterosexual relationship ends as both of the partners realize that it's obviously not an optimal solution for someone who is gay to be in a heterosexual relationship.

The tricky part is this: just like straight people aren't necessarily 100% straight (most straight people have some thoughts or fantasies about same-sex partners during their lives), gay people aren't necessarily 100% gay, either. Human sexuality isn't that simple. Neither are human hearts or humans' abilities to love other people. Being gay doesn't mean you can't love someone of the opposite sex. Being straight doesn't mean you can't love someone of the same sex. There really is no inherent contradiction between your dad being gay and your dad being your dad... or your dad having genuinely loved your mom. Heck, he may still feel a lot of love for her, even though he has decided to come out of the closet about his same-sex attractions and desires.

Complicated, isn't it? But it's really true.

As for your own sexual development -- everyone has their own timetable, and there is no finish line, no reward for finishing the scavenger hunt early, and no statute of limitations where you have to have had your first relationship by the time you're so many years old or you never get to. Some people have their first relationships at 13. Some people do it at 30. Or 40, or 21, or 17 and 3/4. It happens when it happens, and all you can do is be open to the possibility that it might.

Welcome to Scarleteen. I'll see if Miz Scarlet won't come over and say hi in this thread -- her parent story is pretty interesting and she usually has some good things to say.

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Miz Scarlet
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posted 02-07-2001 10:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Miz Scarlet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey, welcome!

Ever hear of the book Heather Has Two Mommies? Well, I DO have two mommies! Yippee for me!

I didn't always, though. My mother and father weren't together long, and my mother dated other men for most of my life, and remarried and divorced again before I was out of high school.

Then, to my knowledge, she had a long respite to any dating at all and did a LOT of evaluating of her life and her feelings and her relationships.

A few years later, a woman moved in with her who she has now been living with for over five years. And she's the greatest, and she brings out the absolute best in my mother. As a kid, my mother and father didn't get along, so I wasn't that concerned when they split, nor hurt. My stepfather was an awful individual, so I was elated when I heard my mother divorced him. But now, I actually feel like I have a really cohesive family, and I'm very tied into my mothers partner, and I know I'd be upset if anything happened. Truth is, that's likely not only because her partner is one of the most fun, sparky and funny women I have ever met, but because my mother finally entered into a relationship that made her really happy.

The funny thing is that I've been bisexual for as long as I was sexual (before anyone in my family even recognized such a thing), so gender roles or people's orientations never mattered much to me at all (and for the record, my mother isn't all that comfortable with the term "gay," and prefers not to really deal with labels at all). And you realize, I think, over time, that relationships are relationships are relationships, and the differences between "gay" and "straight" ones are pretty small, if they exist at all, but the differences between good and bad ones, or fulfilling and unfullfilling ones are HUGE. And you can understand that no matter WHAT your orientation.

Your Dad can be there for you and relate to you as you enter into your own relationships regardless. And everything Hanne said is great food for thought.

You know, maybe it's because I grew up in a very unorthodox family to begin with, but I'm really proud of my mother, and though in my life there are certainly parts of her I was ashamed of (mainly serious problems she had, and bad relationships), this issue has been completely the opposite for me. She's walked a long, arduous road to find out what makes her happy, and it's been really rough, and I feel honored to have such a strong, brave parent. I let her know that a lot.

Why not ask your Dad about all of this? I'm sure he'd be more than happy to answer you, and you know, you stand to learn a lot, and understand a whole lot better.

Good luck!

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posted 02-07-2001 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for glitter695     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Miz S how did you feel at first when your mom said she was bisexual? Was it weird for you or did you accept it right away?

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Miz Scarlet
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posted 02-08-2001 08:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Miz Scarlet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My mother never said she was bisexual, and my guess is that she isn't, honestly, but she doesn't really care for the term "lesbian," either. In fact, just talking about this last night, my mother said that she feels that we all define relationships too narrowly, and too many of them hinge on sexual defintions, and she doesn't see it as being so simple as all that.

But considering that I had girlfriends years and years and years before she did, I really didn't feel much of anything, honestly, except being happy that my mother found someone to have a life with who makes her happy.

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Rizzo
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posted 02-08-2001 09:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rizzo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well reigh, I guess I can also offer my understanding. Like Miz Scarlet, I also have two mommies, though one of them used to be my dad. I've gone through some of the same feelings as you, like fearing ridicule and wondering when I would EVER be in a relationship. Certainly if you feel ashamed of your parents, it makes getting close to someone more difficult. It makes it hard to open up, and even small talk can become difficult.

I guess the only advice I can offer you is to stay calm about it. They are plenty of people who will accept you, no mattter who your dad is. As Hanne says, having a gay parent is not so uncommon. Also, remember that almost NOBODy lives ina a "normal" family... even if it's mommy and daddy and two kids and a dog, there can still be all sorts of hidden problems.

Also, don't worry about your friends being "beyond" you. It's not a race, and maturity can't always be measured by how far you've gone with a girl. Just relax, enrich your own life, and relationships will come eventually.

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reigh
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posted 02-08-2001 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for reigh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you all for yor responses and help. I don't have two momies. But at least it's close so you guys can relate. I have only ever seen my dad once with anouther man. He's also in the seattle men's chior (A gay mens chior of course.). he's been to all sorts of cool places that he tells me about. even to france and paris. I hope me and him get to talkmore offten now though. Again thank you

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Hanne
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posted 02-08-2001 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cool! The Seattle Men's Choir is very good, I've heard them sing... have you been to any of their concerts? It's such a gorgeous sound. If you haven't gone, you should tell your dad you definitely want to go, it's a wonderful experience.

And no, a gay dad isn't quite the same as a gay or transgendered mom, but it's also not too far off. You might want to look around and see if there are any meetings of a group called PFLAG -- Parents and Families of Lesbians and Gays -- anywhere near where you live. It's a group for straight family members who have gay/lesbian/bisexual people in their family. You might be surprised at how much you have in common with a whole lot of other people.

You can also check them out at www.pflag.org online -- it's a pretty cool and useful website.

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reigh
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posted 02-08-2001 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for reigh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks. yes I have been to a couple of the concerts. Thay had one on the wsu campus that I remember it was very funy. They all did went in semi drag to portay a girls band or somthing I don't really remember it was my first one when I was young butI remmeber how funy it was there were lots of inside jokes. I live on the east end of washington though so I'm notsure if there are any of the groups youspoke of. Mabey how do I find out.

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Hanne
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posted 02-08-2001 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you go to the PFLAG.org site, you'll find a "chapter locator" link. At http://www.pflag.org/chapters/washington.html you'll find that there are chapters in the Tri-Cities, the Quad Cities, Walla Walla, Ephrata, Spokane, and several other places east of the Cascades...

(...says your helpful former resident of Spokane...)

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onekyfemme
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posted 12-19-2002 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for onekyfemme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There have been a few referrals to PFLAG -- I thought I'd suggest another place -- COLAGE -- Children of Lesbians And Gays Everywhere. I'm a college student, a lesbian, my partner has four kids, and i have -- or will have eventually -- two mom's. My was-dad is transgendered. COLAGE is a great group I heard about for the first time in my Gay/Lesbian Studies class at U of L. the website is just http://www.colage.org
they're pretty cool. oh yeah, i sent my partners kids all a link to this site -- they're preteens and teenagers and i hope they read it well!!!

lissa

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