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Member # 56822
posted 04-11-2012 08:46 AM
It seems these days that people who have anything that is not "normal" (whatever that is) or "conventional" (whatever that is) is guiltified (being manipulated by others to feel guilty) and made to feel inadequate. And it almost always has a gender and sexual orientation bias to cis men who are heterosexual (or supposedly so) and against women, whether they are assigned female by birth and/or they consider themselves female. And I totally agree with Heather that the perfect example of this is how having semen squirted all over your most sensitive and vulnerable places is seen as so cool for a woman to allow have done to her, whereas the natural fluid that regulates women's lives and fertility is virtually always portrayed as messy, unclean, inconvenient and worth doing away with. That has to be about the biggest double standard I have ever found out about!
What can we do about allowing all people to be themselves and take care of themselves and others? We need more normality and acceptance of natural human and female human processes, and the right should be given to all of us to be a unique individual and appreciated for being just who we are! The word abnormal should be used way less than it is used now. There is no normal or abnormal for most nature-related things anyway - we have to remember that we are part of the circle of life too. [ 04-11-2012, 09:13 AM: Message edited by: WesLuck ]
Member # 79774
posted 04-11-2012 12:06 PM
If you don't mind, Wes, I'd expand on your thought a little, and say, not Just cis heterosexual men, but cis, het, able-bodied white men. The last two adjectives are more relevant to the topics of these boards than at a first glance because of the huge and varied ways they interact with gender and orientation.
From my viewpoint, it seems like the world operates from the viewpoint of the above conceptual man. My first broad generalisation of a suggestion is that society changes to incorporate other perspectives just as much. How we actually achieve that is a whole other question, as currently the power is with the above conceptual man. I say "conceptual man", too, because I think that no person actually meets the ideal of the perfect conceptual man. Maybe also worth saying that I have nothing against cis, het, ablebodied, white men "some of my best friends are c h a w men!" (kinda social justice in-joke there ); only against the unequal share of power that society hands them and against the cluelessness that Some of them have as a result. From your postings generally, I get the idea you like reading? Have you read much feminist stuff, either online or in books? I ask because that's what your thoughts above sound like to me, and if you're really interested in this, you might find it rewarding to find out about the massive amount of thoughts and conversations that people are already having about it. Just one thing - I feel a bit odd about the idea of a bodily function "regulating" my life. Maybe some women experience it that way, but for me, it's just something that happens, as part of my body, while I live my life. It's kind of integral to me and my existence, but not in a way that really Means anything to me.
Member # 56822
posted 04-12-2012 03:33 AM
Well, I was reading Heather's "I, Being Born Woman and Suppressed" which where the comparison of the treatment of men's and women's fluids came from. Also I have read "Sex Lives of Australian Women", which was a real eye opener, primarily because identities were protected and women could say what they truly thought. I also am interested in reading "Living Dolls: The Return of Sexism" by Natasha Walter.
It is hard to truly understand something you will never experience first-hand. So I was talking from a point of not-having personal-experience there with when I said that phrase "regulates women's lives and fertility". It may not be at all accurate, but then again, I can't speak from personal experience, and the above were the words that came to mind first based on my personal reading of Heather's article.