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Member # 2297
posted 05-01-2002 05:36 AM
The Prime Minister of Australia wants to ban IVF for single women and lesbian couples because "every child has the right to a mother and a father."
While I personally disagree with this, I'd be interested to hear what other ST users think. I've linked to an article below if you need to orientate yourself.
'Opposition vows to oppose IVF bill'
I see love as the essential element in a family, not having both a mum and a dad. Why does John Howard still have this fifty year old notion of the nuclear family. He's even admitted that any parent would be disappointed to have a homosexual child! I'm guessing he wasn't speaking for queer couples.
I have found groups out there who help my frustration. mogenic.com is a great australian resource, and there's even a queer youth group being started by the health department :0)
Anyway, I'd love to know what y'all think about the IVF issue.
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Member # 6206
posted 05-02-2002 02:22 AM
To be honest, reading that made me really quite angry. I think that the fact that the prime minister isists that "every child has the right to a mother and a father" is pathetic in this context. It simply stands no ground. If every child has a right to a mother and a father, what about single parent families, where the father was once present? Is the Australian government going to actively edeavour to find every parent who has abondoned their partner and child and bring them back together? No.
Every child has a right to a loving family. And whether that means a family that consists of a single parent, two mums, two dads or anything at all, its still loving. And that's all that counts. I find the prime ministers views extremely patriachal and outdated, and, quite frankly, insulting.
"in spite of everything I still believe that people are really good at heart." -- Anne Frank
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Member # 5317
posted 05-03-2002 01:43 AM
So even if there's domestic violence, the parents have to stay together because the children have a right to a family with a mother and father? They'll still have happier lives?
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Member # 94
posted 05-03-2002 03:18 AM
I agree that it is incredibly wrong to block lesbian partners from IVF treatment- they should be treated in exactly the same way as any other couple seeking to conceive in this manner. Treating them differently is gender discrimination, as well as discrimination against non-heterosexuals.
I do think that this issue of single women is not so clear cut. When you get right down to it, I'll come down on the side that says they should be allowed the treatment, but it is a difficult one to call. I don't doubt that single mothers can do a fabulous job of raising children, but I do wonder if it is ethical to conceive a child knowing that the child is only going to have one parent involved in their lives. However, I think that this is more a matter of personal ethics, which should not be legislated upon. After all, if you deny single women IVF based on the cultural ideal of a nuclear family (just a note- I would still consider a family with two same-sex parents nuclear), what is next? Denying them the right to engage in any reproductive activity at all?
Member # 2297
posted 05-03-2002 04:28 AM
True, single women are a little different. I'd say they have a right to IVF if they can provide enough love & attention for their child (not always working etc.)
Member # 8073
posted 05-05-2002 02:43 PM
Although the gender of the parents might play a role on a child growing up, it shouldn't matter as long as he/she is loved and cared for. Sometimes, a "normal and traditional" family might not be as good for a child as two loving mothers. A friend of mine once said to me that she can't imagine growing up without a male influence in her life. But that doesn't necessarily have to come from the father, it could come from an uncle or a close friend of the family.
Member # 6610
posted 05-05-2002 09:56 PM
although i completely don't agree with the idea of banning IVF, i understand that there might a difference, and maybe even be something missing from a having two same sex parents. Depending on the couple, a child could end up with, well not wrong, but differed persepective, that leaves them perhaps less open to other styles of living. It's definately a fine line, and i by no means condone it, but i do understand where people who believe this might be coming from.
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