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Destinee Carols
Member # 54626
posted 02-28-2011 02:39 AM
Hey. I'm bringing this up because I just saw a post about a topic that reminded me of this... I've been in a relationship with a guy for just over three months now. It's been great...relationship-wise. Bit of background. He's not got a great relationship with his stepdad - typical parent stuff, nagging, feeling inadequate, etc, etc. Nothing new. I'm the same with my mother. About two months into our relationship, he had a bad day and ended up sitting in his car and crying for two hours, issues with his stepdad, not having a job, getting fired. I sat on the phone with him for an hour because I couldn't go see him. At the end of that he told me his aunt said there was a job offer...in Alberta. Something he would seriously consider, but then he said that there was no question of going if I was not going to be with him. He would rather tolerate his stepdad (and tbh, his stepdad isn't a bad person - he cares, but there are always those parents who just get on your nerves, criticize a lot, so just for perspective, he's not an evil man or whatever) than leave me. We entertained that topic a little bit even though both of us knew it wasn't feasible for me. The topic's cropped up in our minds on occasion since then, but never seriously again. The issue is this: I mentioned this to my roommate and she said it raised a red flag- particularly the "rather tolerate stepdad than leave you" part. She said that to her, so early in a relationship, he shouldn't be so clingy. I worried about this briefly but for the most part ended up putting it out of my mind, because overall in our everyday interactions, I seem to be the needier person (ick) out of the two of us. Basically, my question is this...was my roommate's concern valid? Is it even something to be classified as being needy and clingy? He's 20. I'm 19. He needs a job. But he's on the search around here. It isn't as though it was a take-this-job-or-live-on-the-streets situation. Maybe it was more like 1.5 months than 2... I'm not super concerned over this, just curious...
Alice
Member # 28346
posted 02-28-2011 02:34 PM
While some severe clingyness and "I'd die without you" speak in relationships can most definitely be quite unhealthy, and potentially abusive (or red flags of abuse to come), I really can't tell from what you've said here if this qualifies. Check out this article on abuse: Blinders Off:Getting a Good Look at Abuse and Assault for more info and this one: Does Your Relationship Need a Checkup? to evaluate your relationship at this point, and then come back with comments and questions and we can talk more. One note on your boyfriend: it does sound like he's feeling pretty anxious and maybe even depressed at home. Is there any way he can access some counseling services? Like maybe through school? Talking about it with an impartial professional can be very, very helpful.
Destinee Carols
Member # 54626
posted 02-28-2011 03:29 PM
I near-about dismissed the first article for the mere reason that nothing even remotely rings a bell of abuse - but logical as I am I know sometimes I can be unaware of situations, but even in reading it nothing resembles what I'm finding in our relationship. Taking a look at the second, I'd say our relationship is pretty healthy too. I realize the info I give is hard to work with...it's not extensive, and context is key, and everyone is different and there are so many factors...and also everyone perceives things differently, which is probably why for my roommate her instant response was 'red flag'. On my boyfriend, he's mentioned and I think even may have gone to a psychiatrist. He's very open with me about how he feels, and it doesn't sound like clinical depression, mostly just temporary stress-based symptoms. Of course I'm no expert and me disregarding the possibility is dangerous; I'm not. It's just that I'm in much the same boat if not worse off than he is, but our depressed days don't linger on past whatever circumstances trigger them. All that said, if it continues to be a recurring problem...even if it's just little things he mentions, I'll encourage him to or talk to him about that psychiatrist. He's currently attending an art institute - I don't know if they have counselors in place for those sorts of schools but he would know. He does talk to his academic advisor, though I don't know how extensive he is with that. One unhealthy aspect of our relationship at the moment would be perhaps that I am, at least, using him as a partial crutch...I realize that, and I know it's bad, but our relationship started prior to my current semester, and I'm certain that as soon as my semester is over I'll stop being so stressed out. By crutch I mean that a lot of the days when I do see him it means I feel encouraged, happier, I don't cry for two hours or something... We've talked about it. Neither of us see it as putting strain on the relationship so far.
Alice
Member # 28346
posted 02-28-2011 03:39 PM
Cool, thanks for reading those. You having the info makes talking about this a lot easier. Thing about abuse and red flags is that they're just something to always keep an eye out for. You don't need to obsessively, vigilantly guard against red flags when your relationship is doing just fine and is healthy - but you do want to keep these things in the back of your mind, and do the occasional relationship check ups. Good to know he is accustomed to talking things out with professionals. Most schools have at least a guidance counselor on hand at least part of the time. We really encourage people to use those resources if they have them. As far as feeling that you're using your relationship as a crutch - I totally feel you. I, as well, often feel way happier and calmer when I get to be around my boyfriend. This isn't in and of itself unhealthy behavior. The important thing: make sure you have a real life outside of him. Hobbies, goals, activities, friends - things you enjoy doing with or without him, and if your relationship were to suddenly crumble, these things would still be there so your whole life doesn't crumble as well. Know what I mean?
Heather
Member # 3
posted 02-28-2011 08:46 PM
I'd also add that it might be worth asking him if this is about him wanting to venture off into something new and far away but feeling scared to do it on his own. In other words, is it about wanting you, specifically, to go, or about him wanting someone -- in a more general way -- to go with him? After all, venturing out on your own for the first time can be daunting, so being afraid to go it alone is hardly unusual.
Destinee Carols
Member # 54626
posted 03-01-2011 02:41 AM
Definitely, Alice, and I'm certainly keeping an eye out for unhealthy aspects in this relationship (though hopefully not going overboard with it - I'm experiencing a tiny amount of anxiety in this one as opposed to my first relationship - worrying that it won't work out, but I figure that's just since I finally experienced the break-up portion of relationships with my ex and now deep inside I'm waiting for it to happen again). And Heather, that's also a possibility, and if so I would probably be a convenient "crutch" (to keep using the term), someone he wouldn't have had before, but now that he does, he can "use" (no negative connotations meant). Whatever his reasons were for saying that he'd prefer having me over not having his stepdad, I don't think they'll be an issue for a while, since realistically me going anywhere is not a viable option and him going anywhere seems unlikely - he's planning on moving out soon with a friend here, also going to school here, also looking for jobs all around town/may have acquired one/some.
Heather
Member # 3
posted 03-01-2011 09:11 AM
Why keep using that term, though? People need each other, and there's nothing wrong with that. It's just making sure there's a good balance around that and good boundaries. Maybe he asked you because you're the person in his life right now he likes and would want to make that kind of a journey with.
Destinee Carols
Member # 54626
posted 03-01-2011 05:56 PM
I suppose because it feels like I shouldn't need anyone to get through a productive day emotionally. I know it'll only be temporary, but it can't be a good thing...
Heather
Member # 3
posted 03-01-2011 05:58 PM
You know, I don't know about you, but when I'm in times of life where I'm struggling, I'm often leaning on friends, family and partners for emotional support. And vice-versa. That's part of what those relationships are for, after all, is so we can all help each other out when we need it.
Destinee Carols
Member # 54626
posted 03-02-2011 08:47 PM
Perhaps I'm just scared it'll come across as too needy - it's one of those recurring things that keep popping up in my head regardless of what I logically tell myself. XD
Heather
Member # 3
posted 03-02-2011 08:59 PM
You know, I'm not a fan of the term needy. It's clearly soo emotionally loaded for people that I don't find it useful. I think it's a lot more helpful to talk about the difference between being dependent or codependent and then simply needing people in the ways we sometimes need people, but having that be something that's balanced and healthy. What I'm hearing is that you're both not in the best space right now, and you're leaning on each other to help you both. Does that sound about right? Can I ask if both of you are also making sure you're seeking support from more than just each other?
Destinee Carols
Member # 54626
posted 03-03-2011 08:40 PM
So far as I'm aware, or that he's expressed to me, is that the whole little crying jag + work option in Alberta? thing was a one-time scenario. And, I've just started school again after a week of reading break and I have actually been okay so far, surprising to me (okay as in not crying every night, missing him but not feeling like I need to see him in order to function). I plan on seeing how this continues...the break or something else might have done me good. If I go back to feeling like I'm constantly very emotionally stable I was going to take steps (search out my academic advisor to see about my classes/workload, find an on-campus counsellor, etc). So in response to you, I'd say that my "space" has gotten better and it hasn't been shown or expressed to me that his "space" is quite bad, and I feel like I've been doing more leaning than him than him on me.