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ursinha
Member # 19877
posted 09-13-2004 03:02 PM
it's been many (ok, maybe 4 or so) years since i've known scarleteen, and i used to be quite active on the boards... for some reason i've stopped coming here a couple years ago, and since i couldn't remember my old login and password, i've created this one. all this to say i trust this site and i value the opinion of those coming here i learnt a lot, and part of my way of looking at things (particularly related to sexuality) was shown to me by this site.so, i felt i needed an outside perspective into a problem i've been facing for a few weeks. i'll try to be objective so you don't get bored
i've been together with my boyfriend for nearly 3 months now... seems not like a long time (for me too), but feels like a lifetime... our story was quite unusual too, but since it's not vital information for this case, i'll skip it today...
so, we have no problems of communication. we talk about everything openly, i trust him like no more than 2 or 3 other people in my life, and he's really important to me. we're in our 20's, and both have had 1 serious relationships before. doesn't make us very experienced, sometimes i feel we lack experience in dealing with some stuff, but i think it happens with everyone.
anyway, ...
a bit over 2 weeks ago, his father died. it was very sudden and unexpected, only a matter of 4 days since he went to hospital. during those 4 days, we kept almost no contact, only through either brief phone calls to check how we were and how was his father, or text messages, nothing more as he was working full time and after work he went to the hospital...
it happened that during one night his father died. they only told his mother and him the morning after... during that day that i can imagine must have been awful, terrifying, (no words to explain) for him, i had no news, and was becoming really worried. i was being a bit selfish but was starting to miss him after so many days and was feeling he didn't care enough to at least tell me how things were... i sent a few messages to which he replied once that "things with his father were really bad and he'd call me when he wasn't so nervous". i had no idea his father's problem was so serious, or that he had already died, so i kept pressuring to meet him after work or something... about 4 or 5pm he called me, and without saying much more, he said he didn't know how to tell me... and then he said his father died that morning. i started crying immediately, so much i couldn't even talk, i walked crying with him still on the phone to my sister, asking her to take me to the church where they were... i went there and stayed until late that night, the next day i went early and stayed with him the whole day again... i needed to support him in every way i could...
to make the story short, his father left a lot of problems related to his business, mostly financial... so now my boyfriend and his mother have to deal with all that and try to solve everything, along with the problem that it was him who supported the family, and my boyfriend's job doesn't pay enough for them to pay the bills, etc.
in short, they have a lot of problems and are in a difficult situation, that hopefully will be better soon.
after his father died, a week after maybe, we went out one night as usual... and while talking i began noticing he was weird and joining a few things he said, i asked if he was breaking up with me, and he was. i was very sad and i couldn't accept it because i didn't understand why... it was just all the problems surrounding us, but nothing related to US.
a few days later we got back together. during those days i tried to talk with him to hear what was going on in his head and in his heart and try to help... we got together, his decision (of course i also wanted), as he said he didn't want to abdicate from me.
we've been together 1 or 2 weeks after that... he's not his usual, of course, with so much on his mind... but apart from that i don't feel so wanted, or so needed... i've tried to talk about it a couple times with him, he always said he didn't love me (like i love him), but he liked me and needed me in his life....
i need an outsider's perspective to this... what would you do in my place? i can't be sure of what he really feels apart from what he tells me... would you think it would be better for us to be apart for some time, until he recovers from his loss? (although it can be hard for both) ... and maybe makes up his mind about his feelings?
if he doesn't love me now (or at least he says he doesn't), after 3 months, would you say he will ever will? i don't need it for me personally, but i think if he doesn't love me, anytime he can decide he doesn't need me anymore... i'm so afraid of being hurt because he's unstable because of all this, but also he didn't love me before his dad died... so... i'm really lost here and i think i don't make any sense anymore
i want to understand him but i can't any help or advice? topics to help me lead a conversation with him about this?
thanks in advance for reading through all this
Heather
Member # 3
posted 09-13-2004 03:29 PM
One of the big things you're facing is that it can be very, very tricky to be in a very new relationship and have one partner hit a massive tragedy. That's rarely easy, and almost always, very rocky.Simplistic as it sounds, I would ask him, per your relationship, what HE would like to do right now, understanding that given the situation, it's pretty unlikely that even if he wants to remain in the relationship, you're going to have much time together or his full attention very often. You might also want to try and separate this from what he needs in terms of support, and what he WANTS per a relationship. Offering up what you need to see if he's up to that, for real, may also be very helpful.
In other words, things you're wondering like "Will he ever love me if he doesn't yet?" (and in general, three months is a very short time, so overall, yes, someone who doesn't develop that so early still can in time) will have to sit on the shelf for a while if you continue the relationship. You're also likely not to feel needed for a while, and he may be distant for a while still. A death like this tends to make one feel very vulnerable, so many people are reluctant to get more open for a while, because everything just feels so fragile.
Of course, before you ask him about this take time by yourself to consider what YOU want and need. For instance, is it going to be okay for you to be with a partner who will likely be distant for a while, who doesn't feel he loves you yet? For whom you're unlikely to be the first priority, possibly for a very long time? With whom it may be hard to relate to for a while?
What are YOUR wants and needs now?
Silver1381
Member # 18771
posted 09-13-2004 03:39 PM
Hi there. I'm sorry to hear about your boyfriend's father passing away. One thing that I think you need to remember and keep in the back of your mind, is that the grieving process has many stages(denial, anger, sadness,etc.) and the length of mourning differs from person to person. You said that his father passed on around two weeks ago...in my opinion, that isn't really much time for someone to go through the stages of grieving. You also said that your boyfriend is acting unusual and not like himself, well, he just lossed a loved one and now has the added stress of trying to help support his family. He's going through many things right now; he may not act like himself for a while yet. It takes time to be able to move on with one's life after experencing such a loss. Just try to be patient and give your boyfriend some time and space, if he wants, to cope with this new reality that he's been forced to face.
Also, try not to worry about how your relationship stands with him at this point in time. He is probably experiencing many different emotions lately, and he may or may not actually mean the things he's saying to you. Be there for him as a friend if he needs someone to talk to. I personally wouldn't try to get him to spill out his thoughts and feelings right now...let him come to you. He may not know how he feels right now, and if or when he's ready to talk about it, he'll probably let you know.
Best wishes to you both!
ursinha
Member # 19877
posted 09-13-2004 03:43 PM
thanks for being so fast replying... you've organized some things that have been on my head...you know, before i posted this i read an article here (can't remember the title) where among other things it explained some ways to balance things in a relationship. i've also had more than 1 serious talk with my boyfriend concerning this, but as it's a delicate subject and he's not well, i usually tend to change the subject not to put too much pressure on him.
so i've thought about what i want and need... i know i love him and i need to be with him. of course if that's not what he wants, i won't die or something...it would be hard but i know it can happen and it wouldn't be so much of a shock, given the circumstances and the time i've taken to think about it.
i know i handle whatever it takes, all the problems, lack of time and attention, etc... BUT only if i felt it was worth it... i mean, if i knew he valued me and wanted me to go through this with him as his partner, and not just have a partner to support him and when he's "better" dump me and look for someone who fills his needs better. i know this is a very cold way of looking at it, but it's true. i know he's not taking advantage of me, at least not meaning to.
so i think this is enough to face him with my questions? i know what i feel, i know what i want (would like/prefer to happen), i know what i need (from him, during this period)... so am i ready to discuss this with him?
another question, because i really do trust your advice, would you advise we avoid any sexual contact until we've settled what's best to do? i realise that could influence what we think in a way it shouldn't, am i right?
thanks so much again
ursinha
Member # 19877
posted 09-13-2004 03:51 PM
quote: Originally posted by Silver1381:Hi there. I'm sorry to hear about your boyfriend's father passing away. One thing that I think you need to remember and keep in the back of your mind, is that the grieving process has many stages(denial, anger, sadness,etc.) and the length of mourning differs from person to person. You said that his father passed on around two weeks ago...in my opinion, that isn't really much time for someone to go through the stages of grieving. You also said that your boyfriend is acting unusual and not like himself, well, he just lossed a loved one and now has the added stress of trying to help support his family. He's going through many things right now; he may not act like himself for a while yet. It takes time to be able to move on with one's life after experencing such a loss. Just try to be patient and give your boyfriend some time and space, if he wants, to cope with this new reality that he's been forced to face.
Also, try not to worry about how your relationship stands with him at this point in time. He is probably experiencing many different emotions lately, and he may or may not actually mean the things he's saying to you. Be there for him as a friend if he needs someone to talk to. I personally wouldn't try to get him to spill out his thoughts and feelings right now...let him come to you. He may not know how he feels right now, and if or when he's ready to talk about it, he'll probably let you know.
Best wishes to you both!
thank you!!! your words really helped
i was told before to wait and not confront him with my thoughts and doubts right now, and i try, but they keep coming back and it makes me feel so insecure about what i have (or not) and what will happen next... i know maybe i shouldn't worry so much and maybe i'm being selfish, but i can't stop it, it's the way i am...
i didn't want to mention this but i've been diagnosed depression, i'm waiting for an appointment to get medication (through natural products), and you know, he's the person i care the most, i know i should be able to go through this and get better on my own, but with him by my side i'd feel stronger
i guess we're both going through a difficult time, and that was why i considered maybe we needed to discuss where our relationship stands, if we should take time apart, etc... and asked for help here.
thanks
Silver1381
Member # 18771
posted 09-13-2004 05:19 PM
Hi again. I just wanted to say that I also agree with what Miz Scarlet said about figuring out what you want in a relationship. The key to any successful relationship is communication. I do feel that you two need to talk about things, but maybe right now isn't really a good time. You would know better than anyone else when the timing for a discussion would be a good time though. If it's upseting and/or stressing you out though, sooner may be better than later to have a talk. I know I'm probably contradicting myself here, but basically I'm just trying to suggest that you go with your instincts. Best wishes to you![This message has been edited by Silver1381 (edited 09-13-2004).]