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polyprotic
Member # 45568
posted 02-06-2010 07:40 PM
I was abused repeatedly a few years ago. That's the only sexual experience I've ever had, and I think that's one of the things that bothers me the most about it. I feel like I need at least one person to want my body for any other reason than to hurt me. There's a friend of mine that's expressed interest, and I feel like I could trust him. I think something casual might be a good place to start rather than having to explain everything to someone I'm emotionally attached to, who may not want me because of what I've been through (which has happened to me before). My fear is that I could freak out on him and not be able to tell him what's going on. Advice? Thoughts?
Ecofem
Member # 13388
posted 02-06-2010 09:48 PM
Hi polyprotic, Welcome to Scarleteen! I'm sorry to hear about your abuse and I'm also sorry that a wanted partner in the past did not react in a supportive, understanding way. I totally understand your want to reclaim and enjoy your sexuality, and to share it with someone who can appreciate you and your body. I can say with a great deal of confidence that it *will* happen one day, it's just working on making it happen at a pace and a time that's comfortable for you. If you could answer these questions, it'll help me with my reply to you: First, did you ever seek out counseling or other support after the abuse? Second, are there non-sexual ways and times that you feel good about your body and who you are? For example, you might feel good about your ability to craft a pot with your hands or you might feel good shooting hoops or maybe you have an outfit that you feel confident and even "sexy" in? Third, do you masturbate? OK, now to address more points you've made. We're not going to tell you what type of relationship is best for you but we want to make sure you're feel comfortable with whatever you choose. I think there are different degrees of casual-ness in a casual relationship: you can still really care for someone and share a lot with them without it being romantic. I'd argue that you already do have a (platonic) connection with this guy if he's a friend and someone you feel you could trust (very good!) However, having something be casual doesn't necessarily mean it won't bring up uncomfortable memories or triggers (but it may not, either.) I think for his sake, you'd want to at least address a little bit: you don't have to explain to anyone all the details if you don't want to, however, you could just say something like, "I am a survivor of some abuse. I don't want to talk about details but I would like for you to be aware. I want to be sexual with you and just see how things go but I may need some time or space at certain points. Can you respect that?" (And, of course, he should/must, but if it'd seem like too much to him, he'd probably wouldn't be a good sexual partner for you anyway.) If he's caring, he'll probably ask some questions, not necessarily, "tell me all about what happened" but "What are you comfortable with? Is there anything I should avoid? What should I do if you react strongly?" How does that sound? Here are some articles for you (and he!) to check out. They're a lot but I think reading them will help shed a lot of insight and help you with your decision. 10 of the Best Things You Can Do for Your Sexual Self (at Any Age) An Immodest Proposal Be a Blabbermouth! The Whats, Whys and Hows of Talking About Sex With a Partner Blinders Off:Getting a Good Look at Abuse and Assault Ready or Not? The Scarleteen Sex Readiness Checklist Safe, Sound & Sexy: A Safer Sex How-To Safer Sex...for Your Heart Supermodel: Creating & Nurturing Your Own Best Relationship Models
polyprotic
Member # 45568
posted 02-06-2010 10:14 PM
Thank you for your response and kind words. To answer your questions: Yeah, I was in counseling for the first year, but I think that was almost as traumatic as the original issue. Long story short, she was also the counselor for the perpetrator (my brother) and I had to go to the prison to talk to her and was forced to talk to him, then live with him until last year. She also tried to do some nasty legal stuff with my family. It was all highly unethical, I'm finding now. Needless to say, that's put me off from therapy for a very long time. This is actually the first time I've talked about it since. It has been hard to feel good about myself. Yes, I do masturbate about once or twice a week. As for telling him directly that something happened to me, I don't think that's really an option because I'm still very uncomfortable with anyone knowing. I will check those articles out. Thanks again.
Ecofem
Member # 13388
posted 02-06-2010 10:53 PM
Hello again, polyprotic. Your counselor sounds incredibly unprofessional and unethical. I'm so sorry that you had to talk to your brother in prison and even live with him. That is some really rough stuff there! I'm really glad you feel you can talk about it here; we seek to create as safe an environment as possible. I can understand wanting to avoid therapy for awhile: there's no need to rush but I think that it'll be really positive when you can find a good counselor match. A really, really good organization is RAIIN: The Rape, Incest and Abuse National Network. They can really help you and even have a National Sexual Assault Hotline that's free, confidential and available 24/7. Their phone number is 1.800.656.HOPE and they have a messaging service , too, if you feel more comfortable typing than talking. I really recommend you get in touch with them; if not right now, then later. We are certainly glad to help you with stuff here, but they offer some services like the counseling that we don't. I'm glad to hear you're masturbating, because I think it's good to first make sure you're comfortable with solo sex before looking into partnered activities. I can understand how it can be hard to feel good about yourself but you deserve to! I'm sure you have stuff that you're good at and feel good about, even if it takes awhile to find those (again.) What do you like doing? What are you interested in and what do you currently do? Where are you located right now? (Like living with family, at college, with roommates, etc.) I think it's very good to feel good about yourself sexually but it's also important to feel good about yourself in non-sexual ways. As for telling your friend, I have mixed feelings about that. First, what happened with your brother is NOT your fault and nothing you should guilty or shameful about. A really crappy thing about abuse/our abusers is that we can feel guilty as survivors, it's part of their manipulativeness, but it's not the case: again, it's not your fault! However, I can understand how you'd not want to tell people as not to open yourself up to talking about it or hearing their (false) judgement. And incest can feel like one of the scariest things to talk about, for sure. BUT I do believe that the more we can talk about something, especially in a supportive environment with people who truly care about us, the less scary and taboo it feels and the more we can heal. However, you should definitely stick to a pace that feels comfortable to you! I have mixed feelings about being sexual with this friend. On one hand, I feel it's important to be able to feel we can trust someone we're sexual with with our feelings and experiences; I mean this in terms of a comfort level and trust thing. But that isn't to say we need to talk about something or all the details with anyone either: I think it can be good/important for a partner to know about possible triggers and what not but people should treat all sexual partners, regardless of their histories, with the same amount of respect and caring, regardless if this is a hook-up with a stranger or a long-term partner. What type of stuff *would* you feel comfortable doing with your friend? If you can figure it out and just stick to that (and you feel he's someone you will respect your boundaries), be it making out or something else, and take things from there. Might that work for you? Finally: May I ask how old you are, too?
polyprotic
Member # 45568
posted 02-07-2010 12:30 AM
That sounds like a really good idea to have an online service. I'm not sure I'm ready for that yet, but it is something I'll consider in the future. Right now I'm a senior in high school. For the past few years, I've put most of my time and self into my schoolwork. I think I would be alright with anything short of penetration. I really have no way of knowing what would or wouldn't upset me until I get there, though. I'm seventeen.
Ecofem
Member # 13388
posted 02-07-2010 01:19 AM
Hey! Yes, RAINN is an excellent resource: you don't have to commit to talking to them for any set amount of time or anything, you can just click there if and when you feel ready. They're not going to make you talk about anything you don't feel comfortable with and you could even share this link with them if you'd rather not immediately go into the background. However, whereas our threads stay up (because the information helps people who read the message boards but don't post), what you'd say there would be private. (We're safely anonymous but public, like I said, for the rest of the internet users but you knew all that when you signed up. ) Really focusing on schoolwork sounds like a good strategy: are you planning on attending college or working next year? Are you looking forward to that? I can imagine it's exciting and maybe a bit much at once, too. At 17 and as a senior, you've got a lot of good stuff in your very near future. If you think your parents would have a hard time with your being sexually involved with someone, like they might restrict you or keep you from seeing this guy, I'd definitely wait until at least you're 18. As for your friend, I think there are a lot of good arguments for waiting a bit longer before doing anything sexual together until you're feeling a bit more sure and comfortable but if you're interested, you could start talking to him about it more. The articles above list a lot of good talking points, like you could talk about how you're interested but just want to stick to, say, kissing now. Could and would he respect that boundary, etc.? Ask him what he's interested in and comfortable with, not interested in, etc. Whatever you decide to do (or not do) with your friend, I'd recommend making sure you use safer sex tools. Would you like more information about that? I'm going to sleep now but I can follow-up with more information tomorrow. [ 02-07-2010, 01:20 AM: Message edited by: Ecofem ]
polyprotic
Member # 45568
posted 02-07-2010 04:35 PM
I'm going to college next year, which I'm looking forward to in a lot of ways. I'm probably going out of state, so I'll have a chance to make a new start, which is appealing. I am a little afraid of being removed enough that I'll have to start dealing with things I've repressed over the years. I think my parents would be alright with it if they found out. I'm already on the pill (for health reasons) and am pretty well-versed on other safer sex methods. I've also educated myself pretty thoroughly on other things sex-related. I'm honestly not sure of how patient he would be willing to be with me. That's something I definitely want to be sure of before I do anything with him. I agree that it's important to discuss those things with him beforehand.
Ecofem
Member # 13388
posted 02-07-2010 05:16 PM
Hey polyprotic! I think that a "new start" (or make that new opportunities and some distance) will be really positive. I think that you may deal with these feelings but you also may find yourself surrounded by positive new challenges. We actually a thread on this that I can share with you if you're interested. Whatever happens, I think it's good to work on not only devoting time to your academics but also building up a support network at college, be it hallmates, a study group, your academic advisor, the nice lady at the bookshop, etc. Even if they don't know about your experiences directly, having friendly faces and people you can reach out to is important; even if you're not interested in exploring in-person counseling options, it'll be good to become familiar with the health center if and when you want to use their services. Feeling like you may have to deal with these feelings for once can be really scary and hard at times but ultimately I think it will make your life better... but there's no need to worry about that for now. You can also start dealing with it sooner, like during the summer-- after all, you've already taken a big, good step to start discussing it here. I'm glad to hear you're so up to speed with safer sex stuff and BC, so you'll be set there. I think that, whatever you choose to do, your main focus would best be working on having a good finish to your senior year and life at home so you're ready for college and your life after graduation, but it sounds like you're very keen about that. As for the potential casual relationship, it'd be very important that he'd be patient and respectful but that's something you two can address, like you said. I still have mixed feelings about this set-up because I want you to have good sexual experiences but I also am concerned about your still wanting to avoid certain feelings or thoughts so much: I mean, that's understandable but has a lot of potential for hurt, you know? Here are some Sexpert Advice pieces on casual sex . I recommend you read all of them and think about this some more. I think this one would be a great place to start. Let me know what you think once you've checked them out.
polyprotic
Member # 45568
posted 02-08-2010 01:23 AM
Yeah, if you could give me that link to the thread, that'd be great The school I'm probably going to offers free support groups, which I'm considering going to next year, just to sit and listen if nothing else. This is probably the most I've ever talked directly about it, which is pretty scary. As strange as it sounds, I think I'm better equipped to handle the emotional side of this than the physical. One thing I saw in an article that I think could be a problem for me is the dissociation and fear of emotional vulnerability. I don't think that will be a problem in this relationship, because if things don't work out, I can always opt to never see him again after graduation. I do think that's something I should be wary of in the future, though. I'd also like to say that I really support what you guys are doing here. Your articles are so informative, and everyone is so kind and helpful. My sex-ed in school consisted of shaming anyone who had had any kind of sex and telling kids how scary and awful the whole thing is. Personally I think that causes a lot more problems than it solves. It's good to see a site where we can get accurate, realistic information
Ecofem
Member # 13388
posted 02-08-2010 03:32 AM
Thanks for your kind words! Yes, the irony about abstinence only education is that it's pretty darn ineffective , too. Here's the thread on attending school while dealing with traumas . I think checking out an on-campus support group would be great; if it's a good one, they're going to be very understanding and accepting of you and your level of participation. I think it's good if you're feeling like you could handle the emotional side of a casual relationship but it's also important you are not only ok with but would *enjoy* the physical as well. You certainly would have the option of not seeing this guy again *but* I don't think that's necessarily the best mindset to go into this with, you know? Your being OK with all this is essential, but it's also important that he's truly on board and you're both on par because it's no fun to be treated like someone's guinea pig, even if it's a casual thing. Here are some articles on experimentation and exploration , which can apply to sexual encounters of all kinds. This one I recommend a lot but please do be careful because it has some possible some triggers in it. [ 02-08-2010, 03:34 AM: Message edited by: Ecofem ]
Ecofem
Member # 13388
posted 02-08-2010 03:36 AM
[Speaking of triggers, if you think that might be an issue, I can also just post the answer here w/o the question, if you'd prefer. ]
polyprotic
Member # 45568
posted 02-22-2010 04:13 PM
I think I've decided that this situation wouldn't be good for me at the moment. I completely agree that I don't want to make him my guinea pig, especially when he doesn't know that going in. I do care about him, and that just seems unfair. I think it would be better for me to wait until I can think of a way around that while still not telling him what happened. That probably means I'll also have to wait until I'm in a bit of a better place with everything. Or maybe I should even wait until I can let someone know. Thanks for your help with everything. I really appreciate it
Ecofem
Member # 13388
posted 02-22-2010 10:28 PM
That sounds like a very wise decision for now. I wish you luck and know something good will come along in the future.