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Atonement
Member # 42492
posted 06-05-2012 11:38 PM
It’s been a while since I posted anything, but there are some things that I really have been wanting to discuss with someone that I haven’t been able to talk about with anyone in person. The first thing, really, is my relationship with my therapist. I LOVE my therapist. We have a lot in common. I want to be an OB/GYN, and she used to be an OB/GYN before a she moved to America. We have a fairly similar cultural background, and I know she really likes me and is proud of my achievements, ect. I think of her as a friend and a mentor. And the problem is, I see myself falling in the same trap as with my friends and family, in the sense that I find myself unable to tell her *everything* because I want her to be proud of me. For Example, we were having a discussion where I thought it would be pertinent to talk about a fling that I had in December 2010 (Which I discussed in depth around the time it happened on the boards). I told her about the relationship, but found myself unable to admit to her that I had sex with a guy only 5 days into our “relationship”, and was surprised/upset when he wanted nothing to do with me afterward. Second issue: I think I’m going through my first age-milestone-related crisis. I feel incredibly shallow, petty, and ridiculous for feeling this way. But I feel this way, so I might as well talk about it. I’ve been waiting pretty much the last 10 years for my romantic live to start. Minus one 2 year long drizzle and one brief but catastrophic hurricane, my entire life has been a dry spell. I always blamed it on things like “I was so shy and didn’t get a chance to interact with people in high school” and “Now that I’m graduated and there’s no people left in this town, I haven’t dated anyone because of a lack of options”. But now, I feel like there’s no excuse. I’m going to a school that consists of roughly 26,000 male students. I’ve been highly active in an organization. I’ve been to a few parties and a few clubs, and not once have I run into a guy where there was a mutual attraction. I really always thought that this would be the time/place where my romantic/sex life would finally REALLY begin. And the fact that it hasn’t yet has been kind of a letdown. I’ve also caught myself really going kinda tough on my physical appearance. I have been monitoring my weight and trying to eat healthy foods and not exceed the recommended daily calorie limit. And as someone who gets their joy in life out of carbs and things covered in chocolate, that is very difficult for me. I know I am slightly overweight (BMI of 25, for reference), but it never really seemed to bother me when I was surrounded my older women all the time, and didn’t really have any expectations of finding anyone. But suddenly I see myself as way heavier as I did before, even though I know I haven’t gained any weight since then. But somehow, I’m catching myself looking towards standards of “perfection” that I don’t really even want to believe in. And this is the really ridiculous part: in 45 days, I will be 22 years old. 21 is supposed to be the “fun” year. And I was hoping to have fun. Maybe even find someone more serious. And I cannot believe that 21 is almost over and I didn’t have partnered sex once. I know it’s really dumb to set specific goals like that, but it just seems really pathetic. I mean, it would be different if I didn’t want to. But I did/do. I just wanted it to be with someone I was actually attracted to. And I really never felt like that was too high of an expectation… I always thought that this would be “it”. The part of my life where I’d actually start living. And I’ve thought that at so many other points in my life. The time I started public school in 8th grade for the first time. When I got my first and second job. When I started my first in person community college classes. When I started classes at my second community college. But I really thought THIS, living on my own and living in a town with so many people my age, would be IT. And I’m really trying to have fun. I’m hanging out with friends, spending time doing things I love such as reading, watching funny shows, and even doing some art. For the most part, I love my life. The only thing that really is missing is the romantic/sexual part, and it’s a gap that I just haven’t been able to fill with anything else. So, any thoughts?
copper86
Member # 95710
posted 06-06-2012 01:05 PM
Hi! I really feel like I don't have the knowledge to give you a great, full-of-advice answer; but I did read your post last night and today, and I want to try and help you in any way I can. I don't think there is any "age" where you are supposed to engage in sex. Society places a lot of pressure on its members to have sex - with the media, music, movies, and just other people in general - so feeling the way you are is completely normal. And when you enter things like college/university and the workforce, I think that you are even more expected (by others, and perhaps from your own feelings) to have sex; since you are now in the "independent" stage of your life and you might feel like you're more of an adult now due to these stage transfers (from childhood to puberty, adolescence to adulthood). But, there is no set time that you need to have a relationship or when you feel like if you haven't done anything like that yet, you're "missing something." I have a lot of friends who waited to have sex; and I have friends who had sex at a young age. I think it's entirely up to you when you choose to have sex; and I'm sure your college and occupational experiences were very rewarding in other respects, regardless. I think it's normal for everyone to sometimes be tough on their physical appearance; which I think is again due to society's media and their alleged "portrayal" of the human body. But I personally think that everyone has something about themselves - be it a part of their body, a part of their personality, their generosity or kindness - that makes them beautiful. Also, you will be 22 soon - that is not too old to be "experiencing" anything at all! You are still quite young and you have a whole lifetime of fun things to look forward to - be it sex, jobs, school, friends, family, and other things. I think it's great that you're spending time with friends, watching funny shows, and doing art. I have a strong passion in writing - I write a ton of stories and now keep a journal. Maybe if you write some of your feelings down, you will feel better. I really hope that you are feeling better. I'm proud of you for eating healthy; but remember that you can always have some chocolate now and again! [ 06-06-2012, 01:06 PM: Message edited by: copper86 ]
Heather
Member # 3
posted 06-06-2012 02:42 PM
Hey, Atonement. So, the first thing I'd bring up just so your therapy can keep working for you is that you need to tell your therapist about what you've said here. If you don't, then really, she can only do her job so much and you can only get so much out of your therapy. What needs to happen to prevent that is for you to disclose being concerned about impressing her. Then you two can either work through that (with your therapist probably explaining transference to you) so that's not something that stays a barrier OR you can maybe talk about switching to someone else where you're not feeling that kind of relationship -- or desire for her pride in you -- that is really problematic for useful therapy. I also didn't know there were "fun" years like that. Glad I didn't know it at 21, I would have been really disappointed! That year, for me, involved working two jobs while trying to keep going to school, a bunch of PTSD coming back to bite me in the butt, a really freaking painful breakup and a serious lack of fun sex, and trying to take care of my father. I think this thing where we think (if we do) there's one time of life when life is supposed to really start is kind of like that thing where we often think that X birthday is the one that will be a milestone: those kinds of expectations rarely deliver. Your life started. It's been started for all of your life. You're in it. It may be that certain parts of it aren't where you want them to be or as you expected, but it's not because your life has yet to start. And, of course, our expectations of when and how things will happen for us are also rarely met: life is full of surprises of all sorts, including the ones that bum us out. In terms of what you've been doing with body stuff, do you know abut HAES? Starting to do things like trying to control the numbers on the scale and strict calorie limits are things we know, from a ton of sound research, tend to hurt people more than help them, and tend to do more to amp up body image problems than quell them. [ 06-06-2012, 02:43 PM: Message edited by: Heather ]
Robin Lee
Member # 90293
posted 06-06-2012 02:42 PM
HI ATonement, I want to speak to your comments about your therapist. As a volunteer here at scarleteen, I don't often share personal things. That's not a rule here, just my personal preference. ...but your story resonated with me really strongly. I had a therapist while I was in college with whom I really clicked. It was nice to have a therapist with whom I had things in common. She really liked me. Sometimes she'd tell me personal things about herself; nothing too personal usually, but I knew a fair bit about her. In hindsight, though, I realize that I stopped telling her things and being truly honest with her, and with myself. The way this played out for me was that it set me back a few years. I'm not saying this to say that your therapist is bad for you or that either of you has done something wrong,, only that you feeling like you're holding things back from her could be seen as a warning bell. I'm not precisely sure what you're looking to get out of therapy (and I don't need to know that) but if you're looking to create any sort of change in your life you need to be able to see her as a stable rock that won't significantly shift based on what you tell her. Do you think you could have a conversation with her about what you've told us here? I think if you lay it out simply and honestly, the way you've done here, she could offer you some reassurance and the two of you could work on establishing boundaries that would help you feel safe as well as still honoring the connections between you. While it's nice for our therapists to feel like our friends, it's usually not the most helpful thing for us therapeutically, and your therapist knows this. As to your concern about your romantic/sexual life, I'm wondering if you could start by talking about what it is that you would like to see happen? That is, are you looking for a relationship? Are you looking just to have sex? Something else?
Heather
Member # 3
posted 06-06-2012 02:51 PM
THIS. quote: I'm not saying this to say that your therapist is bad for you or that either of you has done something wrong,, only that you feeling like you're holding things back from her could be seen as a warning bell. I'm not precisely sure what you're looking to get out of therapy (and I don't need to know that) but if you're looking to create any sort of change in your life you need to be able to see her as a stable rock that won't significantly shift based on what you tell her. Do you think you could have a conversation with her about what you've told us here? I think if you lay it out simply and honestly, the way you've done here, she could offer you some reassurance and the two of you could work on establishing boundaries that would help you feel safe as well as still honoring the connections between you. While it's nice for our therapists to feel like our friends, it's usually not the most helpful thing for us therapeutically, and your therapist knows this. Just because Robin really nailed this so, so well.
Atonement
Member # 42492
posted 06-06-2012 05:24 PM
Thanks so much for all the answers. I definitely will mention to my therapist about how i've been catching myself censoring myself. Also, after reading a few posts, I can see how mine might have been a little misleading. I HAVE had partnered sex in the past. But, it's been about a year and a half since the last time, and over two years since the last time i've actually enjoyed it. I've had plenty of good experiences on my own, but while i know the physical mechanisms of solo and partnered sex are the same (and often that solo can be even better), it's just different, and I miss it on a lot of levels. But I think what I'm really wanting at this point is a relationship. On some aspects, I know I'm being silly. I've been in a relationship before and wasn't magically fulfilled. But the thing is, we just weren't compatible, and I had a multitude of pretty big life issues that have been largely resolved now. But I just really want to have a lot of experiences that I haven't been able to have. The whole really being mutually interested and actually able to pursue it thing. The whole stay up all night and laugh about stupid stuff that no-one else gets thing. And the thing is, some people have it so easy. Even if it doesn't last forever, they have great relationships. Some people meet an amazing person and really connect their first day at wherever. And I just can't understand why that can't happen to me. And i think a lot of that leads into the weight thing. Like, I can't imagine some of the guys being interested in me when there's so many girls walking around here that are just as smart as me, way more outgoing, and look like they've walked out of a magazine. Realistically, I know there's nothing wrong with my weight, even by most social standards. that even in popular culture, I'm thin enough to be "acceptable". But I catch myself having this desire to be more than acceptable. I guess I also feel a little silly because i spent a large portion of last semester building myself up about one guy in particular, to the point where I was misreading things that i took to be signs that he liked me, when in reality, he was just a friendly person. And even though he did nothing wrong and I'm not really even interested in him anymore, I feel like it kinda sucks that i spent so much time building up to nothing, and that i misread so much. I really thought i was a little better at reading things than that...
Heather
Member # 3
posted 06-06-2012 05:34 PM
quote: And the thing is, some people have it so easy. Even if it doesn't last forever, they have great relationships. Some people meet an amazing person and really connect their first day at wherever. And I just can't understand why that can't happen to me. yes, sometimes relationships -- and not just romantic ones, but friendships, mentorships, what have you -- happen that way for some people. But honestly, that's pretty rare, especially per relationships that wind up being sustained and going well. There are a LOT of people that doesn't happen to (though I'd say never having fairly instant connections that turn into something good over time through a whole lifetime is fairly uncommon). But I'm wondering why that framework, specifically, is something you feel you want so badly? Or why you think that things happening that way means things are easy for those people? It sounds to me like a lot of what's probably going on here is that a) you're lonely, b) you're experiencing some real freedom for the first time and are, understandably, impatient to be able to use it in the ways you want to, and c) you're also just adjusting to being out on your own, in new environments, outside your comfort zones. And I totally get how all of those things, even one of them, can be challenging.
Atonement
Member # 42492
posted 06-06-2012 06:28 PM
Yeah, in all honesty, I think you just summed it up. I guess my reason for wanting some kind of awesome, immediate connection is because there wasn't one in the long-term relationship I had, and one never did form over time. I never had anything in common with him and didn't even like him, but I forced it because at the time he was my only option (Literally: my mom knew him, and he was literally the only guy they'd let me get in the car with!) And I feel like I owe it to myself to not date guys that I'm not really into. But I guess it is silly to be looking for something so immediate. While it''s probably not a good idea to stretch it out for 2 years like i did before, I guess I could give things a little more time. But just to clarify, I don't mean, like a "lock eyes across the room and experience love at first sight" connection. I mean a "have an amazing conversation with a lot of laughs and realize how much you have in common" conversation. This happens to me fairly often with girls (unfortunately, I am only interested in girls as friends, though). I don't see why the same can't happen with a guy, and have there be a little mutual attraction/sexual tension thrown into the mix as well. It also might be worth mentioning that I'm living alone right now (no roommates for the summer.) On one hand, I LOVE it: I don't have to wash my dishes unless I want to, and when I do, they stay clean. On the other hand, the only thing I have to come home to is my cat, and aside from being a really awesome can, I like human interaction too. I am hanging out with friends and all, and I had pretty unenthusiastic feelings about my old roommates, but it would be nice to have someone that's a little more present. Also, I have tons more spare time and am interacting with way less people than i did in the spring semester, and I kind of wish i was putting it to better use than watching my way through sitcoms...
copper86
Member # 95710
posted 06-06-2012 06:33 PM
I'm sorry about my misunderstanding, Atonement. I had read that you had partnered sex before; but that was later at night, and I guess in re-reading your post today, I didn't connect with that paragraph. I apologize! I can certainly relate to you about seeing other girls and feeling a bit self-conscious. But I think those feelings are common for many people - even the girls you see whom you think look "ideal" could easily be dealing with their own self-esteem battles. I know this is really tough; but instead of focusing on them, focus on what you like about yourself and maybe accentuate that a little bit. For instance, if you like your eyes, maybe wear something that complements their colour; or maybe try a different kind of make-up that highlights their colour. Try to remember that you have great qualities that others will find attractive and appealing. I can relate to you as well about how "some people have it so easy." And I've seen those people in action; but actually, with my friends, they had gone through some pretty tough stuff before the "easy" relationships - where they just clicked and fell in love - came along. One friend went through a 2-year relationship that fell apart; then ended up dating and marrying her friend. Sometimes I think she had it easy; but looking at her past relationship and how hard it was for her, I knew that she had come a long way to get to that "fun and easy" boyfriend (but if someone had just seen them together off the bat, they would've just assumed that she had things easier than others). I've also been in your position exactly; where I spent semesters on one guy or something and when it didn't work out, I was upset. It's normal to misread signals and to get confused. Sometimes, I think people who are just friendly in general can sometimes mislead us without meaning to; and it's nothing to be ashamed of. It happens to so many people! No matter how good you are at reading people, sometimes they just surprise us. It happens to me often! As far as wanting a relationship, at least you are very clear on what you want; so try and think of a way to maybe go in that direction. Make a list of the things you want to try and do in order to maybe find that relationship - or new friendships or new co-worker relationships (go to work parties, join community clubs, volunteering at your favourite causes). Those things will definitely get you out there and talking to new people. You might not find a relationship, but you might make more friends. And I'm sure those new relationships - even just talking to people and getting involved in things you like - will make you feel better about yourself. [ 06-06-2012, 06:34 PM: Message edited by: copper86 ]
Heather
Member # 3
posted 06-06-2012 06:59 PM
I like what copper added to this. I'd also add that I think there's a big, big distance between forcing an interest that isn't there, and having whiz-bang connectivity right at the gate. I tend to think of what we look for when looking for something we want to explore as just some kind of spark: something we're feeling that gives us the hunch that there's some ripe possibility there, that we might want to really get to know each other and see what happens. The materials, as it were, to build a fire, rather than a 4-alarm right from the start. Which sure, happens sometimes, but often enough, it doesn't. Know what I mean? I agree with copper that it sounds like it's time to just get out there with that spare time. try tossing yourself into some environments you know you like and have interest in, and then some where it's a question mark: they're not familiar, you might or might not like them, but they're safe and could be places where you make social connections you wouldn't otherwise. I mean, as a for instance, during my gap year in college -- which was socially tricky for me, since most of my friends weren't taking one -- I worked in something I had interest in but hadn't connected with before. I started going to drum circles even though I couldn't drum very well at the time. I had friends I did have introduce me to friends of theirs I hadn't had time to meet before. I mean, one of the beauties of freedom and new environments is that you can seriously stretch out.
Atonement
Member # 42492
posted 06-06-2012 11:00 PM
Thanks! One thing I'm noticing is that I'm having a harder time navigating the social scene now that it's summer. I was doing an OK job during the semester, but now it seems like everything is on hiatus. I've been hanging out with one friend a lot, but she is a bit older and spends most of her social time out of town with people in her age group. I also went WAY out of my comfort zone and attended a bible study that someone from my organization was hosting tonight. I enjoyed seeing some of the people, but in all honesty, organized religion really isn't my thing, and I don't feel completely comfortable there.So, I don't plan to go back. I would really enjoy attending some parties or something, but the thing is, when you're not around people, you don't tend to get invited to them or know when/where they are. And I honestly, If i never step foot in a local nightclub again, it will be too soon. I am planning on doing some volunteering, but don't know where yet. (It's really shocking how challenging it can be to find unpaid employment in a college town). So, what can I do to be more social?
Heather
Member # 3
posted 06-07-2012 09:53 AM
Well, what are your interests?
Atonement
Member # 42492
posted 06-07-2012 10:29 AM
Well, I really like art, reading and music. The thing is, reading is more of a solo activity. There really isn't an art scene that I've been able to find here, and the music scene here is exclusively country (I check the listings for concerts regularly just in case something else slips in), which I really don't like. I really like my college, but from a social standpoint, I'm really starting to question if I picked the right town. As far as interests go, my non-academic ones are pretty in the minority here.
copper86
Member # 95710
posted 06-07-2012 11:12 AM
When I transferred to my university, I got a "First Year's Handbook" that had a whole bunch of stuff in it, including all the clubs the university offered. Could you maybe go online to your college's website and search for art, music, or book clubs? Even try Facebook - I was just finished school for a few months when my one friend posted something about a Pokemon club; about which I had no idea or else I would've wanted to join! Some clubs might not be sponsored by the college but are extra-curricular student-run events - try and see if anyone has any clubs going on. Since it's a summer term, maybe there will be more activities for going places or being outside. If you lived in residence before, maybe you could visit that building again to see if there are any social activities going on (or you could visit their website). What if you started your own social activity - maybe your own music club? Talk to your college about it or post it on Facebook - you might get some favourable responses!