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-Lauren-
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14227775/

A study was done, and they seem to have found that teens who listen to music with sexually degrading messages are more likely to participate in sexual activity sooner than their peers.

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logic_grrl
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Well, there's a classic rule of thumb with statistics - correlation doesn't show causation.

The study suggests that the teens who are likely to listen to music with "degrading sexual messages" are also those likely to have sex early.

It doesn't show that one is causing the other - both could be caused by other factors, like pre-existing attitudes towards sex.

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And kids who consistently listen to classical music at an early age tend to have higher IQ's. ... I dunno. (Me and my bros didn't listen to any post-60s rock until we were in junior high; I don't know if that made us smart, but it did take me a while to catch up on all the great power ballads).

This sort of thing is probably used as hash by those infamous conservative groups who know that their audiences will assume that correlation shows causation.

You could argue that the lyrics lower teens' inhibitions. But you could also argue that some of those 14 year olds who listen to the most hardcore rap are the ones who don't have much parental support in other areas, which leads them to early/unprotected/involuntary sexual experiences.

those where sexual references are more veiled and relationships appear more committed
This sort of thinking helps to facilitate the backlash against teenagers who are sexually active, if it's taken out of context. "Veiled" -restricting information from teenagers; "committed" relationships - marriage.
What's forbidden is compulsory, y'know...

It weirds me out that a number of American adults and think tanks have taken such a vested interest in quantifying and analyzing teenagers' sexual experience with the end result that anything outside of "sex in adulthood" is bad.

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I think people are just trying to have the media be the scapegoat for all of our problems. Sometimes you have to look at society, our communities and parenting skills, or lack there of. I have a bunch of cartoons from the '40s-'50s that I bought for a $1 each on DVD. In one of them Daffy Duck took a mallet to Adolf Hitlers head then blew him up. That's a hell of a lot more violent then any cartoon I have seen for kids in the past 10 years. I don't see any cartoons of Osama or Sadamm being murdered that are geared towards kids.
All I am saying is violence, vulgarity and the kid in class whos older brother told him about sex are inevitable. They have been and will always be. What we can do is educate. And talk to our kids and make sex not a dirty/bad thing, but something that people only engage in when they think its the right time for them.

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My question would be, "So what?" As long as the sex is safe and consensual, what difference would it make?

As someone above indicated, correlation =/= causation.

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Whiskeyginger
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because in some states you are not legally allowed to have sex until 16. So it can make a differnce. I know in Mass. they charged two kids for having sex underage like last year.

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Caitlain
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quote:
Originally posted by Whiskeyginger:
because in some states you are not legally allowed to have sex until 16. So it can make a differnce. I know in Mass. they charged two kids for having sex underage like last year.

In South Carolina, females can legally have sex at 14. This is a red herring argument anyway.
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Let's try and keep the discussion on topic, shall we? If you want to discuss AOC laws, there are plenty of topics. Just search this forum.

Thanks!

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Heather
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I'd step beyond the concern of just safe (which it often is not for the youngest teens) and consensual to earnestly WANTED and BENEFICIAL. Doing what we've done here for almost eight years now, one thing we have so often seen are younger sexually active teens having sex that really isn't physically or emotionally beneficial to them, and/or consent that is given...but not very enthusiastically.

But ultimately, with something like this, I think that it's likely that when we are seeing a relationship between earlier sexual activity and media it likely has a whole lot to do with the ability to put that meida in conext, just like the correlations we sometimes see between media and violence.

In other words, is the conceern really the MUSIC, or is the concern children and young teens -- or anyone, for that matter -- not having a culture and community which helps them put it into context, which helps them learn to interpret and question media and not take it as a directive?

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It's altogether too easy to blame new forms of entertainment and technology for the ills of today's youth. It's a repeating cycle, from the waltz to telephones to comic books to video games to music. Playing the blame game is easy, people would rather not think that their children were exposed to this material despite their supervision.

If a child got into their parent's liquor cabinet and got drunk and ill, the parents would be blamed for not securing their alchohol rather than the alchohol itself (because a lot of the members of the "moral police" drink alchohol and wouldn't want something they enjoy blamed). Similarly, if a child is bored and has nothing to do and happens to stumble upon a channel on TV which shows the music videos of such songs, parents/carers should be responcible also. It is up to them to explain why certain things are innapropriate and up to a point, regulate what their child is exposed to.

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(I don't quite know if this got a lot to do with this thread but I thought it was somehow linked so I posted it here instead of starting another thread about that. Sorry if you guys think it was not the case)

But what do you guys think about all the artists trying to make like abstinence songs ?

Like self-power, abstinence song such as Avril Lavigne's don't tell me (which some people mostly see as an abstinence song although I don't really see it like that, more as saying to have sex only when you feel ready to), Fefe Dobson's give it up and all those songs.

Do you guys think that kind of music got an influence also on teenagers? Because aside from describing their personnal experiences, I think they hope at the same time to shed a positive messages among teenage girls. They hope to make a change.

So do you guys think they're able to do that with their songs ?

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quote:
Originally posted by cool87:
(I don't quite know if this got a lot to do with this thread but I thought it was somehow linked so I posted it here instead of starting another thread about that. Sorry if you guys think it was not the case)

But what do you guys think about all the artists trying to make like abstinence songs ?

Like self-power, abstinence song such as Avril Lavigne's don't tell me (which some people mostly see as an abstinence song although I don't really see it like that, more as saying to have sex only when you feel ready to), Fefe Dobson's give it up and all those songs.

Do you guys think that kind of music got an influence also on teenagers? Because aside from describing their personnal experiences, I think they hope at the same time to shed a positive messages among teenage girls. They hope to make a change.

So do you guys think they're able to do that with their songs ?

That's all predicated on the assumption that abstinence is something good. It's not inherently good, what's good is people having sex when they want to instead of when the people around them do.

There is an inherent contradiction in making music that tells teenagers to resist peer pressure while simultaneously telling them what to do. Just like those unintentionally hilarious "Above the Influence" commercials. Government-funded propaganda telling kids to think for themselves and just do what the Ad Council tells them.

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Here is the research article that is referenced in the MSNBC report from the original post.

Interestingly enough, sensation seeking (which accounts for a good bit of the variance, we already know) was measured but not entered into their analysis. That bothers the nerd in me more than a bit.

(Takes off nerd hat) [Smile]

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