Me and a few friends have been discussing our views on the whole virginity issue, particularly focusing on same-gendered sex. Here's the question: Say two women (or men) who are virgins have manual/oral sex... do you still think it's possible to retain your virginity? Or, in other words, are they still virgins or not?
I guess I'd have to say sex is sex, no matter what genders are involved. But then (here comes big, ole hypocrite me) if I were to have relations with another girl... I would be very hesitant to say that I'm no longer a virgin.
Do you think that there are certain degrees of virginity... like, you can have oral sex and still be a virgin, or do you think that it's all and all the same?
The best thing I can add to this 9and mind you, I am not someone who supports the notion of virginity at all, in fact, I'm dead-set against it) is that the first time I had intimate sex with a guy did NOT feel quanititatively different, more intimate, what have you, than the first time I had sex with a woman.
And if "virginity" is something which means a big change in your sexuality, in your intimacy, in your growth, then surely if sex feels like sex feels like sex no matter what gender-partnership is happening, any difference is likely arbitrary.
It was this very question which made me reconsider my ideas of virginity. I was sitting around with myself(bi), one lesbian and 8 straight girls at camp a few summers ago. We were discussing the definition of virginity.
Most of the straight girls believed that when they had hetero intercourse it was/would be the end of their virginity. So the lesbian said, "Well, what about me? I'm not going to have sex with a man." So the straight girls said, "Fine, then when you have sex with a woman, you won't be a virgin." I said, "And what defines sex with a woman?" The straight girls overwhelmingly agreed on oral sex as the definition of lesbian sex. So I said, "And what about me? When I have oral sex with a man, it won't count, but when I have oral sex with a woman, I'll have lost my virginity?"
So the gender of the person attatched to the mouth on my genitals determines the loss of my virginity? That's just too weird. Gender has little influence on how oral sex feels, so I don't think that should have anything to do with a culturally significant term. So I just decided to chuck that term out the window for my own use.
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The bible never refers to specific sexual practices at all! It nearly always says things like "lying in the bed of..." or something like that. It could mean anything and everything but the Bible is most certainly not a good guide on defining precisely what sex (intercourse or any other) is.
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I think virginity shouldn't be a noun. It should only describe one's relationship to a noun. Such as, "I'm a virgin to giving oral sex" or "I'm a virgin to genitals on genitals sex" or "I'm a virgin to roller coasters"
The phrase "I'm a virgin" should be declared improper english and banned!
quote:Originally posted by Maclawa: in The Bible, i think that if you do anything sexual with anyone you are no longer a virgin, but i may be wrong
If you believe hat to be the case, what exactly is "sexual"? I'm assuming you mean intercourse, but what about oral? Is that "sexual"? Yes? Okay, what about manual? Yes? Okay, what about fondling? Yes? Okay, what about just kissing? What about holding hands? Where exactly do you draw the line?
I, Milke, am a virgin to Linux, but am rather promiscuous with internet browsers and all forms of rollercoasters. And, guess what! I lost my DVD virginity last night to a rather versatile Playstation 2 and a mediocre music videos disk.
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i am an operating systems harlot! been there, done them all!!!
but i am a virgin with respect to artichokes and pumpkin pie. never eaten either. but my guy is really pressuring me into those sorts of things, and i don't think i'm all that comfortable with the idea. pumpkin pies? i'm just not that kind of girl...
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