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hiyapeeps23
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Excuse me for being an idiot, but what exactly is the difference between alternative rock bands and punk rock bands? I have been pondering on this for quite some time. Once again, sorry for the stupid question, I would ask one of my friends, but i'd seem like an idiot so I'm asking you.

*answers appreciated*


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The difference is Nirvana and Good Charolette. Listen to what they play. (Personally I hate Good Charolette but Nirvana is the best)
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There is no such thing as a stupid question, peeps

Punk Rock is, as a good definition follows:

"A genre of music that died around 1996, contrary to what any blue haired fifteen yr old will tell you.

Punk Rock originally had a three chord sound. Everyone knew that the music was not important as the message. Sid Vicious was never known as the best player of the 70s or of any era, but everyone knew who the Sex Pistols were.

True punk rock bands include (but are not limited to): Sex Pistols, Black Flag, Ramones, Youth Brigade, Bad Brains, DK (pre-1987), Descendents, Minor Threat, Fugazi, 7 Seconds, Bad Religion, Sub Society, and Teen Idols.

Examples of "punk" rock, only by record label classification: Good Charlotte, Blink 182, Simple Plan, Avril Lavigne, No Doubt (yes, I once had someone tell me they are punk. Yes, you may laugh too), 311, and The All American Rejects."

(Although I don't necessarily believe the blue hair 15 yr old part, thats pretty accurate in terms of definition...)

Alternative is similiar to independent rock. While I was not able to find a straight definition for it, it is somewhat of a mix of many music types. It's simliar to independent rock, if that helps.

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And we'll credit Urban Dictionary for that one.

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What about Yellowcard or Dashboard Confessional? They're punk, I suppose. I've heard that their punk from some people and alternative from others. But really, are they punk or what?
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Something tells me that this is going to end up like the Goth thread, with people arguing about what's *really* punk, and who's just a poser. But no, I wouldn't consider either of those groups punk. There are a ton of musical genres, and being a bit bouncy or sad doesn't mean something's punk music. That'd be sort of like putting Dolly Parton and Poison in the same category because of the big hair.

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I don't really have an answer to clearly define the difference between alternative and today's "punk" music, but an example of a punk band in my opinion, would be the band Goldfinger.

Has anyone else heard Goldfinger before? Would you consider that "punk?" I guess they could kind of go both ways, but it seems like most people that I've talked to have considered them as a "punk" band.

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This is a topic that has been discussed/argued over a LOT recently. I think punk is a popular social identity- subject to differences in area, generation, and personal opinions. Therefore- "punk" music would be subjected to the same, and there can never a definition.

But I think classifying music into lots of little subcategories is ridiculous anyway.

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Hm... See, I consider earlier Offspring (circa Ixnay on the Hombre) and all of the Vandals stuff to be punk. Fun, upbeat music with a good message. In the Vandal's case, funny lyrics come in to play.

I tend to notice that music played by rock or alternitive rock bands seems a bit "heavier", if that makes any sense.

Eh. It's music. If you like, listen to it. If not, change you station or cd.


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I LUV Nirvana, except I'm a lil' sad about kurt cobain, i wish he would've done more songs to our generation, but still, i think that their music has a LOT to say. About other punk bands i don't like it so much, it is just that, many of them sound the same, since green day came out, many guys started hanggin' out in garages tryin' to make a band just like that one and guess what? they did. now many of those bands no matter what they are, all of the guys that sing in them have almost the same voice, and rhythim in their songs, i don't think that there would be another band such as nirvana, or guns n' roses, or the cure. Many of them are a simple stereotype of the voice every guy can create if you force your voice a little bit' a dunno what you think about it but this is what i think.

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This has always seemed a bit fuzzy to me too. The line between any kind of rock has seemed fuzzy to me. Since when was Nineinch Nails "Alternative" and since when was Audioslave "Heay Metal"?....I always just called everything rock...but thats me
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hey, i'm a little late but i just wanted to thank jamsession for the amusing and oh so true (for me) definition.... i guess i'm from what you may call the old school - punk and anarchy were synonyms, and usually it was all musically crap but we love it anyway. i guess each has his or her own belief in what music is called what, but who cares - rather than arguing over what it's called, we should be asking ourselves what the message is!!
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JamsessionVT
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You're quite welcome...

I have never been a punk rock fanatic, but I try to chose my music based more on message, not on sound


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Oh, Dashboard and Yellowcard are a certain brand of punk... emo. Oh emo is so dead. It has been popularised lately, but 99.9% of the emo kids on the streets would not know a Rites Of Spring (1984) or Moss Icon (1986) album if you poked them in the eye with it and screamed THESE BANDS SHAPED WHAT IS REALLY EMO! WORSHIP THEM, YOU LITTLE NEW FOUND GLORY PUPPY!

And there is a name for Blink 182 and GC and all that, it's called mall punk. Pop punk is stuff like Millencollin. Millencollin was absolutely lovely in it's day.

Also, genres like various forms of heavy and extreme metal can be called alternative rock because of their rock roots. I like the musical substance of the things I listen to, but I do absolutely love the naturistic and romantic elements of black metal (no, not Cradle Of Filth, listen to Emperor or Bathorty or Astriaal if you want to see what I mean).


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