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dreaming*in*pink
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I felt a ned to post this after a friend of mine said that she didn't understand butch grrls. She also said that if she wanted a man, she'd date a man. I let it go, but that really upset me. I don't identify as butch, but I dated a grrl who did and it wasn't about her trying to be a man. Perhaps we're so privileged as to have a nice butch boi who can explain to us what being butch is all about, since I for one am more or less in the dark about it.

Presumably, everyone is well acquainted with the concept of drag queens, but what about drag kings? Take for example Jesse James Bondage or Frankie Tenderloin. For more info on darg king culture, check out www.madkats.com/mad_toc.html

Anywho, I'm curious as to my fellow posters thoughts about being butch, being a drag king and what have you.


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DrQuack5
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I'm pretty darn genderqueer.

I'm not butch, but more of an androgyne. To me, it's not about being anything or what dressing/acting like this is all about.

I feel that it's just me being me. *shrug*


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Confused boy
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Butch is... macho, masculine, ideal of a body fashioned to show strength. These are things traditionally associated with men. But the new way of thinking is to split up these characteristics from gender, thus to dissolve gender stereotypes. So it is fine for women to take on a more "masculine" style and it is fine for anyone else to be attracted to those who do.

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logic_grrl
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quote:
She also said that if she wanted a man, she'd date a man.

There's a good retort to this I found in Leslie Feinberg's great novel "Stone Butch Blues" - "She's not a fake man, she's a real butch" .

Of course, some female-bodied people who dress and act in conventionally "masculine" ways do so because they are transgender or transsexual and do identify as being men. But for others, being a butch woman is about being a butch woman.


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Butch has to be something other than simply body; otherwise, there wouldn't be genderqueers.

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