Donate Now
We've Moved! Check out our new boards.
  New Poll  
my profile | directory login | search | faq | forum home

  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» Scarleteen Boards: 2000 - 2014 (Archive) » SCARLETEEN CENTRAL » Bodies » Don't believe us that even porn stars don't look like porn stars?

 - UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!    
Author Topic: Don't believe us that even porn stars don't look like porn stars?
Heather
Executive Director & Founder
Member # 3

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Heather     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I'm off work today, and was mucking about on the net catching up with my Twitter feeds and hit upon this: http://www.thegloss.com/2013/03/11/beauty/porn-stars-makeup/

Perhaps you've already seen it, but if not, particularly for those of you who have voiced feeling very insecure about "measuring up" to the way porn stars look, I'd suggest a peek.

We've said it a lot over the years, and not just about people who work in porn, but people in mainstream film as well as models: the way you see people looking at work in these mediums just isn't usually how people look without a whole lot of retouching, makeup and/or styling. The way you most often see people looking in these mediums is the way people have been made to look, not the way folks look rolling out of bed in the morning. As well, people in porn tend to look like people in porn when they literally ARE in porn: people who work in porn tend to look like people who aren't working in porn when, like everyone else, they're just being and looking like the people they are in the rest of their lives.

Sometimes, as much as we talk about that, it falls flat, so when I saw this, I had to run over and drop a link here for those of you for whom seeing may finally be believing.

--------------------
Heather Corinna, Executive Director & Founder, Scarleteen
About Me • Get our book!
Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. - Margaret Mead

Posts: 68290 | From: An island near Seattle | Registered: May 2000  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
That Strange CT child
Activist
Member # 104246

Icon 1 posted      Profile for That Strange CT child     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thats a very interesting article
I think all this media stuff about sex makes people forget what it really is and this article really helps bring people back to reality [Smile]

--------------------
It is my hope that what i ask here is answered for me and anyone else afraid to ask the same question :)

Posts: 133 | From: Connecticut | Registered: Feb 2013  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
ilikecookies
Neophyte
Member # 107263

Icon 1 posted      Profile for ilikecookies     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Very interesting.

I've been part of the cosplay community for a while, and the general rule when doing make up properly (a lot of people don't) is to use a LOT, even when going for the natural look or cosplaying a male character. It's the only way to look decent in photo shoots and look like the "pro" cosplays that always seem like they have perfect (cartoon-anime-video game character-level ) skin. I found it amazing how thick makeup and fake eyelashes can almost completely change the way you look.

The way some of the girls here are made up is actually really similar, just looking at photos, so it reminded me a bit about that.

Posts: 4 | Registered: Apr 2013  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
blueberry
Activist
Member # 101779

Icon 1 posted      Profile for blueberry     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Wow! They all look just like normal people without the makeup, not like 'sex dolls' at all. I wonder if they recognize themselves in the mirror. Thanks for sharing!
Posts: 66 | From: Scandinavia | Registered: Jan 2013  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Heather
Executive Director & Founder
Member # 3

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Heather     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
They all <i>are</i> normal people. [Razz]

--------------------
Heather Corinna, Executive Director & Founder, Scarleteen
About Me • Get our book!
Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. - Margaret Mead

Posts: 68290 | From: An island near Seattle | Registered: May 2000  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
WesLuck
Activist
Member # 56822

Icon 1 posted      Profile for WesLuck     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
That italics formatting didn't seem to work, Heather. [Smile]
Posts: 540 | From: Australia | Registered: Feb 2011  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Haleigh H
Volunteer-in-training
Member # 103145

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Haleigh H     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I think the same goes for celebrities (actors/actresses) too. It makes me think of an article about extreme thinness I read not too long ago. Too Fat, Too Skinny, this article was really interesting to me.

--------------------
Haleigh

Posts: 176 | From: Kansas City, Missouri | Registered: Feb 2013  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
MusicNerd
Peer Ambassador
Member # 95998

Icon 1 posted      Profile for MusicNerd     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
That's crazy to see the difference in appearance that makeup can create! I myself never knew just how drastic it could be until I wore makeup for prom and I looked at myself in the photos thinking, Who in the world is this??

The one photo in the slideshow that doesn't sit well with me though, as a person of color, is the 16th picture of Tatiyana Foxx; it seems they intentionally made her several shades lighter (as noted in the caption).

--------------------
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." ~Dr. Seuss

Posts: 301 | From: a galaxy far, far away... | Registered: Jun 2012  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Heather
Executive Director & Founder
Member # 3

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Heather     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
MusicNerd: I'd say that when it comes to people of African descent, the same rules that tend to apply in mainstream fashion and movies do in most mainstream (and probably much alt, as well) porn.

In other words, the whitening -- since really, lighter = whiter with this crap -- of POC prevails. [Frown]

--------------------
Heather Corinna, Executive Director & Founder, Scarleteen
About Me • Get our book!
Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. - Margaret Mead

Posts: 68290 | From: An island near Seattle | Registered: May 2000  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
MusicNerd
Peer Ambassador
Member # 95998

Icon 1 posted      Profile for MusicNerd     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Heather: Yes, I agree that that seems to be the case here. [Frown] Maybe this seems too tangential to this whole thread, but what I've always found interesting (in mainstream fashion, movies, porn, etc.) is that people with paler skin are told to be tanner and people with darker skin are told to be lighter. It's like no one can win with these screwed up standards of beauty! And that seems to apply to other features besides skin color.

--------------------
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." ~Dr. Seuss

Posts: 301 | From: a galaxy far, far away... | Registered: Jun 2012  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Heather
Executive Director & Founder
Member # 3

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Heather     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Personally, I think it's still all about racism, ultimately.

IOW, the prevailing notion is that people of color should be lighter, and thus, more white.

And white people can be any color they want, really, including darker, because it's all okay because they're still white.

[Frown]

(Of course, some of this is also about social class too, I think, but ultimately, all the -isms come out to play with this stuff.)

--------------------
Heather Corinna, Executive Director & Founder, Scarleteen
About Me • Get our book!
Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. - Margaret Mead

Posts: 68290 | From: An island near Seattle | Registered: May 2000  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
MusicNerd
Peer Ambassador
Member # 95998

Icon 1 posted      Profile for MusicNerd     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I definitely agree with the whole "skin-lightening = racism" notion; I was only pointing out my "lose-lose situation" observation not to negate the notion that racism plays a part in all of this ('cause it totally does), but because I remember a white friend of mine recently complaining about how she finds her pale skin to be unattractive and how tanning salons seem to be quite popular amongst some people I know.

But yeah, I agree with you that despite the whole "lightly tan = pretty" standard for white people, it's definitely more acceptable in society for a white person to be lighter (or any shade really since, as you mentioned, they'll still be white) than for a person of color to be darker due to Eurocentric standards of beauty that have been imposed on POC in this country. It's just such a damn shame that these biases are still so prevalent in our media (whether it's porn or fashion or TV or whatever). [Frown]

[ 04-09-2013, 03:10 PM: Message edited by: MusicNerd ]

--------------------
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." ~Dr. Seuss

Posts: 301 | From: a galaxy far, far away... | Registered: Jun 2012  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Heather
Executive Director & Founder
Member # 3

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Heather     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I so hear you.

(Though I do still think that really, white people get to be whatever color they want, including in Hollywood, porn and fashion. Sure, in some areas or communities, tan will be the thing, and some people may have decided their light, white skin isn't as attractive as tan skin. But I think that's a really different issue than the whitening of POC.)

--------------------
Heather Corinna, Executive Director & Founder, Scarleteen
About Me • Get our book!
Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. - Margaret Mead

Posts: 68290 | From: An island near Seattle | Registered: May 2000  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Patricia H
Volunteer-in-training
Member # 103815

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Patricia H     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
In a similar vein, I found this on the same website:

http://www.thegloss.com/2013/04/04/culture/photoshopped-art-history-paintings-nudes/

Just an interesting look at how standards of beauty for women have evolved over time, and how women of before (as forever recorded in paintings) would look if they were in line with today's idea of womanly beauty.

--------------------
Nolite te bastardes carborundorum. - Margaret Atwood, The Handmaid's Tale

Posts: 234 | From: Hawaii | Registered: Feb 2013  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
MusicNerd
Peer Ambassador
Member # 95998

Icon 1 posted      Profile for MusicNerd     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
My actual face when I saw the link you posted, Patricia ---> [Eek!]

--------------------
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." ~Dr. Seuss

Posts: 301 | From: a galaxy far, far away... | Registered: Jun 2012  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
mizchastain
Activist
Member # 32224

Icon 1 posted      Profile for mizchastain     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I'm not entirely sure how to put into words what's wrong, because paintings of thin people aren't inherently terrifying, but those edited paintings next to the originals are right in the middle of the Uncanny Valley O_O The body structures don't look like they'd function in real life.
Posts: 475 | From: UK | Registered: Jan 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
   

  New Poll   Close Topic   Feature Topic   Move Topic   Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:


Contact Us | Get the Whole Story! Go Home to SCARLETEEN: Sex Ed for the Real World | Privacy Statement

Copyright 1998, 2014 Heather Corinna/Scarleteen
Scarleteen.com: Providing comprehensive sex education online to teens and young adults worldwide since 1998

Information on this site is provided for educational purposes. It is not meant to and cannot substitute for advice or care provided by an in-person medical professional. The information contained herein is not meant to be used to diagnose or treat a health problem or disease, or for prescribing any medication. You should always consult your own healthcare provider if you have a health problem or medical condition.

Powered by UBB.classic™ 6.7.3