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coolestdesignz
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A little while back, I started reading Freakonomics. This book discusses some alternative views as to why things work the way that they do, and it does make some rather good, convincing points.

What caught my eyes was the case for abortion.

In the early 1990s, crimes by teenagers were pretty much out of control. By the middle-late 1990s, things were quickly cooling down. Why?

Most believed that the booming economy was to blame. People bought this ridiculous explanation.

The authors of the book came up with an alternative explanation (significantly paraphrased):

The type of potential children at the most risk to become criminals are those that are disadvantaged. These pregnancies are often aborted.

Roe vs Wade occured in 1973. Any child born in 1973 would be 18 years old in 1991. By the time abortions were relatively available and affordable, they were affecting those that would have entered their mid to late teens around 1995, thus explaining the somewhat sudden decrease in crimes committed by teens.

Criminals can't kill if they don't exist!

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i read that book too, and the authors were quick to point out that correlation does not imply causation.

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quote:
Originally posted by coolestdesignz:
Criminals can't kill if they don't exist!

People can't be fine, upstanding members of society if they don't exist either.

Just a quick point.

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Heather
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Well, and suffice it to say, POVERTY, and the massive imbalance of wealth and resources in this country, is a bigger problem which simply not having children doesn't fix.

Pro-choice as I am, I'm sure not about to suggest that rather than continuing to do everything we can to get our administration to fix the gross problem of poverty, those of us in poverty just abort so they don't have to do that work.

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I thought it was an interesting perspective on a current issue.
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That is an interesting way to think about that aspect of the issue, I agree, but at the same time is seems sort of cruel to me. Saying that the less poor children born into society, the less poor children will grow up to be criminals, is along the same lines as saying the children of, for example, African American children (if there is a statistical increased likelihood of them becoming criminals) should be aborter during pregnancy rather than allowed to enter our society.

Labelling all members of a group, be it socio-economic, racial, ethnic, or whatever, as potential criminals does not seem like a very positive thing to do. Perhaps lower-income families have less acces to education about birth control, and therefore have more unwanted pregnancies and unsupportable children. In that case, the solution lies in education and outreach, not in stigmatizing an entire class, and saying that America's streets are safer now that there are less children of poor families.

It is definitely a tricky subject, but I think this is fascinating to think about, so thank you to coolestdesignsz for bringing it up.

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I think we should keep in mind that the book cited deals with cold, analytical, be it very unconventional, analysis of statistics and cause/effect events. I don't think it is being suggested that lower income individuals should abort in order to effect crime rate; rather, it is being speculated that abortions had by the lower income population, for whatever reason, may unknowingly have effected crime rate.

"Labelling all members of a group, be it socio-economic, racial, ethnic, or whatever, as potential criminals does not seem like a very positive thing to do."

Unfortunately, STATISTICALLY speaking, there is some truth to the matter. No one is saying that being born into any certain situation or skin makes you inherently less good, but being born into certain circumstances and dealing with certain hardships IS influential in the creation of a criminal. Economic status is THE big one when it comes to this. Any seeming corrolation between ethnicity and crime is actually a relationship between ethnicity and economic standing, and thereby to crime.

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