I was driving home tonight, listening to the radio, and I happened upon "Loveline." [I get it in Baltimore, MD on 99.1, and it's broadcast nationwide in the USA. It was/is also televised on MTV.]
I've been listening to Dr. Drew and Adam Carolla for years now, and something's never sat right with me concerning the advice they give.
Tonight was no exception. Adam talked at length about the guest speakers' breasts and ridiculed the 15 year old girl sleeping with a married man.
While Dr. Drew offers actual advice akin to the Scarleteen boards, Adam farts, makes obscene comments and tells girls to give their boyfriends "BJs" to satisfy their sexual desire. They also make sweeping comments like "prostitutes and porn stars act the way they do because they lack father figures."
While the show answers the caller's questions (although makes fun of them first), it also gives out advice on matters of sex to a young audience, most of whom can't or won't find the information anywhere else.
Have any of you heard the show? What are your opinions, especially after participating on these boards? Is it helpful or harmful to kids looking for real answers about sexuality?
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I've occasionally had the misfortune of hearing these guys on the radio. I suppose their intentions are good (maybe, sort of), but they seem to be way more concerned with ratings than with disseminating factual, helpful information to people who need it.
I think the problem with Love Line is that the obvious message (have safer sex, make responsible decisions, don't do stupid things and rectify them responsibly if you do) is a good one, but the underlying messages the show carries are damaging. The undercurrent of assumptions about gender, sexuality & adolescence that shapes Dr. Drew & Adam's responses is not cool at all -- what I hear is that guys are all supposed to be jerks, girls aren't supposed to like sex, and if a guy wants a BJ, well then by God, give him a BJ. And women who *do* enjoy sex didn't have a father figure. (Even if Adam doesn't conveniently fall off a cliff someday like I wish he would, I'm hoping one day he stops pretending to be a psychologist, because damn, he's way off the mark)
So even if Dr. Drew is telling kids stuff they need to know, like about STDs and safer sex and communication and whatnot, all the hidden messages totally run counter to the development of a healthy sexuality. Dr. Drew's medical advice may be helpful in the short run, but I think in the long run, Love Line only hurts.
I've never actually heard the show, but i have heard of it. It just sounds like a way to get more ratings to me, and like what was already said, they are offering some amount of help, but with what i consider unhealthy messages.
After coming to this site, and these boards, it makes me really mad to hear of stuff like that. I don't think that anyone should be ridiculed for their behaviour or judged either. Just as long as their doing it safely.
Back before Love Lines was on the air, there was a national radio show called Love Phones, which was very much the same. The earlier one seemed to give much more sound advice though, and I was sad to see it go. I believe that's where Love Lines got the idea from, they just put it on TV. And because it's on TV, they need the ratings to support it. The comedy (however crude and coarse it may be) gets those ratings. Personally, I think Love Lines shouldn't be taken that seriously, and it's sad that it is. I'd love to see the original come back, with the guy with a good sense of humor!
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I like the show. I find it entertaining. Pity I can't find a radio station where I live now that airs it.
As for the accuracy of the information, well... it's a radio call-in advice show. I have yet to see one of those that gives good advice -- the format, in fact, is all wrong for giving good advice, and it doesn't take a genius to figure that out. People who call in to any radio advice show should know the quality of the advice they're going to get and take it with a grain of salt. And as for the fact that Adam makes fun of people? Again, the people calling in should know that Adam's like that. If they can't deal with the possibility of being mocked, they shouldn't call in.
Treating as gospel the advice of a stranger whom you've spoken to for fifteen minutes is stupid. I know this, for the sake of my sanity I'm going to assume that the vast majority of other people know this, and folks should -- and most probably do -- act accordingly. Called a radio show? Think critically about the answer you were given. Need a real, serious answer? Don't call a radio show in the first place.
(And honestly, Loveline is hardly the worst show on the air. There's a scary love and sex show where I live in which the host does things like tell wives that imposing a 7 PM curfew on their husbands on the weekends is reasonable.)
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I used to watch the show on MTV about two years ago, but I haven't seen it at all since then. And for the most part, I thought Dr. Drew's advice was pretty sensible. Some of his opinions run a little bit against the norm, and I guess sometimes people might take them the wrong way, but I thought he was always good at articulating why he advises the way he does.
Once I saw him on "Politically Incorrect," when the topic somehow turned to threesomes and group sex. Dr. Drew said that he thought activities like this were a bad idea, because in his experience, people who engage in them don't get what they're looking for out of them, and it generally makes them unhappy. The other guests (William Shatner, among others) thought he was saying that he was objecting to them on moral grounds, and were outraged that such an "enlightened sex doctor" would be opposed to any sexual practices.
Adam, on the other hand, is an idiot. Maybe if they called the show "Don't listen to Adam," it would be better received?
Also, I think they used to have a policy that they would only take calls from people over 18. I guess they've changed this, but I thought it was a good idea. Seems to me that the average teenager who calls a sex advice show would be less able to take the advice with a grain of salt, or handle being laughed at by the audience, which sometimes happens.
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quote:Originally posted by Laura: Adam, on the other hand, is an idiot. Maybe if they called the show "Don't listen to Adam," it would be better received?
Yeah, definitely. Dr. Drew is a smart guy, but it's unfortuntely Adam who gets the ratings.
quote: Also, I think they used to have a policy that they would only take calls from people over 18. I guess they've changed this, but I thought it was a good idea. Seems to me that the average teenager who calls a sex advice show would be less able to take the advice with a grain of salt, or handle being laughed at by the audience, which sometimes happens.
That's a good point. I don't think that a lot of the teenagers who call that show are thinking critically about the advice they are given and where they are getting it, which is where the problems come in. Whenever Adam starts up on his "Give him a BJ!!" trip, the girls are usually like "Oh, okay, yeah, I guess I'll give him a BJ then" without further ado. It's stuff like that that concerns me.
Although I have to admit it made me laugh when a guy called up to ask if it was bad for his health to drink Pepto-Bismol because he liked the taste...
gahh! i remeber when Adam Corolla wasn't even *on* loveline! It was Ricky Rachtman. Both Ricky and Adam were former KROQ (LA's greatest rawk station!) DJ's. They are not qualified to give health advice, but their prowess as disc jockeys on a market 2 (meaning big audience) radio station means they're probably entertaining on the air.
Adam is basically the dancing monkey on the show. Think about it, the show would be fairly drab without Adam. Informative, yes, but not entertaining enough to feed the ears of boys and girls ages 18-34 in Los Angeles (and beyond, thanks to syndication). In which case, you'd get Dr. Drew relegated to stations like NPR or Public Radio, whose listerner base is older, and far less likely to call in and ask, "I sculpted a dildo out of candlewax. Can I insert it into my cooter?" (this, btw, is an actual quote from a caller back in 1996 that struck me so odd, i never forgot it)
Come to think of it, Dr. Drew hasn't always been the resident doctor on the show. I believe it used to be Dr. Bruce (who still subs in sometimes when Dr. Drew isn't available).
and Dr. Drew Pinsky is an actual MD with a thriving practice in Pasadena.
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I think the concept, in and of itself is good. Bringing the information to the audience who needs it in a forum they're ready to embrace and allows them a certain amount of anonimity if they wish it is a lovely idea. I mean, really...if that were all there were to it, it'd be like Scarleteen on tv!
However, the dancing monkey does cause problems. All the crap should be taken with a grain of salt, but for alot of the younger viewers looking for advice, Adam's comments just re-inforce the incorrect ideas they already have. Just once, I'd love to see Dr. Drew reach over and just smack the fire out of him. I think it would be quite possible to get a better co-host who could lighten things up without being so stupid. Besides, do you really want to take advice from somebody on The Man Show?
Hey, Kitto, there's nothing wrong with girls on trampolines. ;]
But yeah, to back everybody else up here - I think Dr. Drew by himself may not be enough to draw viewers (or listeners, I guess) - but they could find a less stupid monkey, I'd think.
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Alright lemming...alright. I'll conciede that there is nothing wrong with girls on trampolines. Quality television at it's best infact...when you get right down to it, I'm just highly shocked that they didn't get an Emmy!
I might actually watch the show without the dancing monkey...I rather think Dr. Drew is sexy...
I remember staying up 'til midnight and seeing this on tv, it was pretty weird. I only half believed it ever made it onto tv and then was left wondering if people actually took the idiot, er, Adam's advice.
Gummy, that is the best quote ever. I read it five minutes ago and am still laughing.
I have watched that show. I used to think that it was so funny-when i didnt know anything about sex.
I remember watching Loveline one time with my sister. I was about 11 and some guy asked a question about oral sex. I was like "Felicia, what is oral sex?" She wouldnt tell me, shes just like, "its something that you do with your mouth."
Once I figured it out I was like ewwwww why would anybody do that!!
Now I have heard the show, and now that I know about sex and what it is I get upset when Adam doesnt know what he is talking about. I just want to call up and tell them myself, what I know and what I have learned.
I love talking and educating people about sex. Its so wonderful!
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quote:Originally posted by Gumdrop Girl: gahh! i remeber when Adam Corolla wasn't even *on* loveline! It was Ricky Rachtman. Both Ricky and Adam were former KROQ (LA's greatest rawk station!) DJ's.
And if you really want to go back in time, you've got to look even further.
LoveLine actually preceded every other show of its type (even LovePhones) and was started in 1980 by a man named Jimbo Trenton on Los Angeles' 106.7 FM, KROQ. Trenton went by the moniker "Poorman," and hosted the show alone for years. Dr. Drew joined the show in 1987 (or 1988, I don't recall), and the pair became a sort of cult hit. I was still a bit too young at that stage, but I first tuned in (quite by accident, actually) in 1990 and listened to them religiously for years afterward.
If you think Adam Carolla is out of control, you would not believe the sort of things Poorman did. The show under the direction of Poorman was not the least bit concerned with dispensing advice, it was pure crude comedy. Since I was 12 years old, I found it hilarious. But it was a far cry from Scarleteen!
The show basically consisted of Dr. Drew trying to calm Poorman down and Poorman trying to get women to talk about the shape, color, size of their genitalia. Eventually in 1993 Poorman was suspended (ironically not for his on-air conduct but for something different), and Rikki Rachtman took over. When Rikki left for MTV, Carson Daly (yes, the teen-dream MTV veejay) stepped in and took over for a few months. Carson was a KROQ DJ at the time, and when he left for MTV, Adam Carolla stepped in. He too was a KROQ DJ who played all sorts of characters on the morning show. So he fit in well, and he and Drew have been together ever since.
(Dr. Bruce was actually not the original doctor, though he has been subbing for Dr. Drew since 1990. He did have the reigns of the show for several months around 1993 when Dr. Drew's triplets were born, but that was all.)
I think LoveLine has to be taken for what it is. The show is older than most of us on the boards...I was only 20 months old when it premiered...and and it was designed to be a ratings-generator. Dr. Drew is very well-established out here (he used to work at Las Encinas Hospital in Pasadena, CA and now has a private practice in the area) and has always been able to dispense sound medical advice, but in terms of the relationship advice and things of that nature...forget it. It's comedy, pure and simple.
The importance of the show in terms of the value of its advice has also decreased significantly in recent years. Back when I started listening to the show in 1990, we had no internet and there was no way of really getting a grasp of sexual facts. I wasn't allowed to go to the library alone to look at sex books, so the only option I had was to listen to Poorman and Dr. Drew talk about things I knew nothing of. Eventually I sorted fact from fiction via the radio show. Today, we have all sorts of options. We've got the wonders of Scarleteen to give us the truth and teach us about safer sex, and we've even got gay and lesbian characters on TV (I had to learn about homosexuality from LoveLine, since I didn't even know it existed until then). As a result of this increase in available sexual knowledge, the content of the show has been less advice-oriented and more comedy-oriented. It's almost as though Adam and Dr. Drew figure that if people really need advice, they can get it from anywhere else...so it turns more into hilarity than anything truly productive when a caller requests advice.
So now would be a pretty good time to start donating money to Scarleteen, dontcha think? So we don't have to go back to the days when LoveLine was our only source of sexual information?
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