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I was wondering if anyone knew how to say "sleep" in german...
It would really help me out, if you must know why i want to know, its for a project for my guy, a painting...i dont want to just title it "sleep"..i want it to be more mysterious, and my guy likes german. Thanxs
I actually spent a bit of time studying German in college, though if you ask Alaska our resident German, she will tell you that I sounded like a babbling fool when I was out there with her.
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alaska, i swear you have a better way with words in the english language than most native speakers! Posts: 1619 | From: TEXAS | Registered: Oct 2001
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I think my guy learned most his german FROM listening to the music...and when i met him he listened to a lot of these bands, he still likes them, but i dont hear them as often, i think i might have to ask him if i can borrow them...but i fell in love with this music..just a few, and its killing me cause i cant remeber the others, but theres Kraftwerk, and KMFDM...and gees, i cant remember the others...he also listens to Air, and i LOVE them, but arnet they french?...i donno, all i know is that ive heard it and i like it. Theres a lot more great music, that may or not be german, i remeber hearing something from these guys in beligium, i think, but i dont know who they were. I think my guy had a variety of music and sounds from all over the place that people sent to him from icq. ITs all quite amazing. IF i remeber any others ill tell ya...what bands do you like alaska?..haha maybe something wil come up, and i will remeber...
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Well..i dont know if theyre german, but a few other bands we like, are..Aphex Twin, Rammstein, and Massive Attack...hmm maybe it was Ministry that i was thinking about,(belgium)
You must think im dense not to know, but I guess i never knew much background on the music my guy was listeing to, just that i like it.
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no, blond, don't think you're dense. with music, i think what matters most is the music itself, not where it's from, who does it, whatever. - it's whether it sounds good. should one find that one is interested in anything beyond the music, fine - but i personally don't think listening to music has to be an intellectual excercise at all times, and when one is just getting to know new stuff, it can be impossible to keep track.
now... good old kraftwerk - good choice. air is french, but i wouldn't mind if they were german so we could claim them. (which doesn't matter i guess, because we're all 'old europe' anyway...) massive attack is from the uk, but i think they're fabulous. rammstein, is german though (very obvious in their music and appearance) and a band i personally don't care much about for a variety of reasons), but they are interesting to observe and have been the most successful gemran band in the us in the past decade.
blond, if you like air and other background-type music, you might like stuff by dj's "kruder und dorfmeister", who are austrian, and definitely like "the notwist" ( http://www.notwist.com ), one of my fave bands at the moment.
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I listen to Rammstein. They are the best band in existence, they take a sexual concept (anything : incest, necrophilia, bondage, whatever) and don't make a song that's meant to be erotic, they make a song that has a meaning.
Take Hierate Mich for example. It's about necrophilia. The guy in it loved a woman so much that after she died, he goes back to her grave every night so he can be with her. The song actually makes you feel sorry for him because he wastes every day wishing the night would come along.
Alaska: any particular reason you don't like Rammstein, or is it just the sexual content of nearly every song they did?
A mate told me about KMFDM, but I haven't got round to listening to them yet.
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If my post above doesn't show up then this will make no sense (I'm having post issues, see my post elsewhere (lol)).
The only song I can think of offhand that goes against the nature of this site would be Herzeleid, which translates to:
Save each other from heartache for the time that you are together is short
For even if you are united for many years one day they will seem like minutes to you
Heartache
Save each other from being in pairs
They did manage to get a play on words in there though. They used the word Zweisamkeit, which doesn't exist and is a modification of Einsamkeit, which means being lonely. So Zweisamkeit basically means being lonely in pairs.
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Always Worried, you might enjoy Wizo's Waiting For You.
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Always, I don't mind sexual content in songs at all, however, what Rammstein does is just not postive sexuality the way I like it: they use fascist, violent, anti-female imagery to create outrage (think Leni Riefenstahl material for music videos) and make money. I just can not stand anyone toying with Nazi imagery, ever. And I just don't like their music, either. Only thing I ever barely liked was their cover of Depeche Mode's "Stripped".
Quite simply not my cup of tea. - But if you like it (as so many people do) who am I to say it's not okay?
(and psssst... "Zweisamkeit" actually means being together, as two. Not at all like Einsamheit, no loneliness involved here. Like Twogetherness or something. )
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they use fascist, violent, anti-female imagery to create outrage (think Leni Riefenstahl material for music videos) and make money.
I can see where you're coming from with violent, but it's stretching it a bit to say anti-female, and fascist is a word I never got a real definition for so I can't make any comment on that.
I just can not stand anyone toying with Nazi imagery, ever.
Are you referring to the cover of the Herzeleid album? That's the only thing I can think of off-hand that was nazi related, and that wasn't even a serious picture, the pictures of them were distorted out of shape and, as my friend mentioned, they don't even look vaugely "perfect". They have black hair, brown eyes, and Flake's just a freak to start with.
And I just don't like their music, either.
Honesty is a good thing
Hope I didn't come over too abrasive in this post, I'm just discussing what I think.
btw, is Zweisamkeit really a word? The site I get everything from (http://www.herzeleid.com) says it's not and I'm assuming the translations were done by someone who speaks fluent German or is German because it's the only decent Stein site out there as far as I can tell.
Anyway, I've babbled on for far longer than usual, so I guess I'll stop here.
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well, first off: zweisamkeit is indeed a real word. it's listed in the "duden" which is the biggest, most reputable german dictionary. i actually checked it just a minute ago, to be sure.
re: rammstein. thing is, toying with nazi imagery is not dismissed by saying "they don't look aryan", and maybe it's hard to understand what i mean when someone's not from germany. - round here, people are very sensitive (and rightly so) to imagery that resembles that which was deemed right in nazi germany and was used in propaganada.
regarding their overall image, i was not referring to one album: i was referring to their entire appearance in the media, on tour and on their albums, too. - wearing uniforms or quasi uniforms that resemble ss clothing or being oiled and naked and looking like statues that nazi leaders loved to have in their backyards. maybe i am overly sensitive, but i find it revolting.
also, as mentioned before, rammstein used material from leni riefenstahl's movie "olympia" (comissioned by hitler for the olympics in berlin 1932) for the video for stripped. i don't think any kind of nazi propaganda (and that movie is just that), should ever be used for commercial purposes.
regarding their anti-female stuff: look at their videos or read their lyrics. as "du riechst so gut" is about a guy, or a male animal, following a woman's smell to kill her. "weisses fleisch" is about the torture and killing of a small girl.
i just can not listen to this stuff, seriously, because it's glorifying violence (either directly mentioned, or suggested that it is against women), and it's been bizarre to see english speaking girls and boys lyp synch this stuff when rammstein were on tour in the us. i don't think music makes people violent, but i think music can make stuff feel less serious than it is. and singing or moaning or grunting about murder and licking blood quite simply isn't fun, in my opinion.
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Ok, I guess being English has provided me with a barrier against this stuff. Ignoring the Nazi stuff (I honestly didn't think of how they look during performances as related, most bands have a similar thing going, either with no tops or wearing uniforms for a military theme or whatever), I think that they don't deliberatly target females, it's just that Rammstein want to do songs about the hidden depths of people, the stuff you don't normally see in anyone, and it just happens to be females on the recieving end. To be honest, I don't think a woman hunting down and killing a man would work with the rest of their music, purely because of a bias inherited from society that woman don't do that sort of thing. The stuff in their songs is the sort of thing that is hushed up when it happens in real-life, so we are more shocked about it in the songs because we're not used to experiencing it.
Anyway, as I said, I have a barrier against some of their stuff because I'm not German. I don't listen to them specifically because of anything they do or represent, I listen to them because their music is basically good if you don't try to understand the lyrics too much.
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You know, Worried, one can like music for whatever reason one wants to like them, and if you like Rammstein, who am I to tell you it's wrong?
You got a point regarding the "hidden" things they sing/perform about, and that they sing about taboos. However, I don't agree with you on dismissing anti-female violence by saying "well society is that way".
Yes, society is "that way", and that's why I think we should not let people use female suffering for commercialism and sensationalism. There is violence against women all the time. There is violence against kids, too. Now imagine how one feels if one has been the victim of violence or sexual abuse and then hears a Rammstein song on the radio about the "white meat" of a little girl (beign addressed as "you") and "the red lines on her white skin" (i.e.from slapping and hitting her) and being told that her fear and sweat are turning him on.
Being a woman, I can not tolerate this.
Yes, violence agains women is hushed in society and tolerated. - But Rammstein songs don't change this for the better: instead, they commercialise the issue, glorify it, too, by explaining in detail the motivations of the perpetrator and just numb people.
Anyway. Don't want to step on your toes too much, if you like them you like them, period, but just give you some food for thought, yes?
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I accept what you're saying and I agree with you. It should be talked about and dealt with, but not like this.
misscat: It depends on whether you are good at learning languages, it's no harder than any other language. (I would say English is easier because we don't have gender issues, but we make up for it in other areas). If you only speak English it could be very hard because of the gender stuff etc, but if you already speak something like French you'll probably already be used to it. So it depends.
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quote:Originally posted by BruinDan: to love = lieben
Not sure how to say "touch," but I'm willing to bet fifty bucks I know what you're gettin' at!
Hahaaa...sounds like it huh!
Well im making a series of works of art, and ive never titled my work, but for this project, i thought it would just be neat to title them in german...it really has nothing to do with sexuality, maybe some could see it as that, but its not...i guess its just about emotions, and feelings, and senses. Being human.
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So I leave for Germany on May 30... I'm starting to get nervous! It's just 2 weeks,...but it might be a precursor to 6 months. Any tips?
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Hello! I just found this thread and, as a German major in college and someone who's just about to spend the upcoming year studying there, I got very excited. When it comes to idiomatic phrases, my knowledge is still quite limited to what they teach you in textbooks and the like, so I'll let someone more knowledgeable like Alaska answer that.
But I can confirm that "Ich liebe dich" means I love you. Something to note, though, as far as I know at least, is that it is used solely in a passionate, sort of "lover" sense, that's it's not something you tell your mom or dog. Instead, you'd say "Ich find' dich lieb", sort of "I'm very fond of you/I find you endearing" although I may be wrong. I've found from my experience with German as an American that although dictionaries may be great (LEO is especially fabulous) they don't often explain the word's context so it's easy to totally say sentences that don't make sense or have a totally different meaning. Just something about word order (I don't know if how I'm explaining this makes sense) when you use more than one verb or certain clauses, the additional verbs/verb gets kicked to the end of the sentence.
As for "is learning German hard?", I'd say it is no harder than any other language if you are committed to studying it. At my old high school and college at least, a common misperception is that German is impossible to learn so people take Spanish instead (also a great language!) yet still run into trouble-- the bottom line is that anything new takes effort, but the rewards are great!
As for German bands, I like many, but I'll name these for now. Die Sterne, Ton Steine Scherben, Guano Apes, Fettes Brot, die Phantastischen Vier, Fiddler's Green, and (I'll admit it) Falco. I was surprised to learn how many German bands sing in English when I was over there last summer! A cool radio program that might have a broadcast near you is Radio Goethe. Check it online at www.radiogoethe.de They have a variety of German bands (lots of metal and electronic if you dig it) and are friendly and informative if you contact them.
Good luck!
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well, altavista's babelfish has it as "damage joy"....
could a german please clear that up in english?
i'm living in germany & learning it... unfortunately, all the courses available w/my awesome teachers are finished & i need to get hooked up with more classes elsewhere.
bummer.
it's not really that hard to learn... the biggest problem i've seen with others in my classes were that they were annoyed & slowed down by things "not making sense" -grammar, translations, the gender in words (that's a biggy for some), etc.
if you just sit back & go forward with it firmly in mind that it's NOT going to make sense a lot of the time, since no language really does -especially not english, it moves pretty fast. english & german having the same basis makes a lot of words or ideas in the two languages similar.
tough as almost any new language can be, but not too bad either...
now, if you want to learn something easy, learn Esperanto. i started tonight online on a fluke and in 2hrs can speak it fluently. i just need to keep building vocab. very easy & fun to learn.
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schaedenfreude
Does anyone know what this means? i couldnt find it in the translation on the site...is it even german?]
Yep, it sure is. "Schadenfreude" as well as "Schadenfroh" mean "taking pleasure in others' misfortunes" or "gloating" etc.
As mentioned before in this thread, the LEO dictionary http://dict.leo.org is the online source for German vocabulary– it includes idiomatic phrases, grammar links, etc. The site is also good because it offers similar words even if you originially mispell a word.
Definitely check it out– personally I haven't found myself to be a too big fan of Babbelfish– there's an incredible number of German words and they can have really different meanings depending on the context.
I already knew what the word meant thanks to a creative writing-poetry unit we did in high school German (a classmate wrote an awesome poem with that title), but I searched it on LEO to double-check and found like many, many possible definitions.
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I'm heading off to Germany in less than two weeks (as I've probably mentioned a billion times on the boards) to first take a summer language transition course offered by the University of Bremen, then going down to Bamberg and enrolling in the university there as a guest student for a year.
As for more German classes, why not ask your old teachers? Are you military personel stationed in Germany or a dependent– if so, I'm sure the post has many resources and could connect you with some language schools and teachers.
If your area has a German-American club, you could ask them for ideas, and perhaps even find an individual tutor.
The Goethe Institute offers many (expensive) language classes at all levels in various locations around the world. www.goethe.de
The German Academic Exchange Service also has language programs (and gives scholarships for study abroad! )– it offers many courses through universities, but there are some summer courses open to all, I believe. www.daad.org
Vielen Glück! If I think of anything else in the meantime, I'll post later.
the teacher i've been working with was connected to the post education center.
they *on paper* have more courses available through the colleges on post & such... but i've so far haven't been able to find a time when they're *actually* occuring. the courses that have been available for taking the past couple of semesters have been things i have no use for -german lessons or other.
i'm trying to find info through the paper here & speaking with the edcenter about another non-college course on german.
there are some obstacles to get by to use most "official" courses, so a tutoring/unofficial class is better for me as
1) official courses out of pocket are painful 2) i can't use my g.i.bill/college fund to help pay for them 3) due to disability issues, i run the risk of missing random & possibly many classes -bad if it's a college or otherwise "official" class.
not insurmountable by any means, just have to find the right combination of variables.
thanks for the info & help, will definitely take a look!
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Just to add my two cents, the only words I know in german are "hophenfeffer(sorry if the spelling's bizarre, I haven't the slightest clue), "dachshund", "blood and liver vurst (if they even are words)", and "aphel coucan (like I said, dont have the slightest clue how to spell)" Sorry if some of these words are mumbo-jumbo, im just sayin' what I know.
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