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lemming
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Recently I have had the experience of going out with my friend and her older boyfriend, and my boyfriend, all of whom are 18+. I am still 17, though, and as a result, cannot legally get into most clubs at night without my parents.

However, I have had no problem whatsoever with getting in at numerous nightspots. I have never been carded, and while it is true that I am an attractive girl, I do look very young. But my boyfriend, who is 20, gets carded everywhere.

The attitude seems to be that if you're a girl, the club needs more girls and so they'll let you in without a fight, especially if you're dressed well and/or are good-looking. But if you're a guy and you look a little young, maybe, or have sorter shifty eyes or something, you're carded, immediately.

Do any of you notice that? Does it make you feel strange?

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I totally agree with this. I'm 18, but don't look it at all. I've never been carded going to clubs...Even the 21+ ones! I think it helps that I've been going with people who ARE old enough to get in. (And don't worry, I haven't been drinking at these places, even though I know I can get them into some *major* trouble for that) Attractive, well-dressed women always seem to get to do more...And I think that's unfair.

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I started working in a bar at 17 (about a month after my birthday), and noone ever questioned me about my legality.
Then, about a month before my 18th birthday, the drinking age here was lowered to 18, and I got carded once, but got off..
Now that I am legally allowed to drink, I get carded everywhere I go (except at the bar where I work)..
Fortunately, all of my friends are 20/21/22 ish, so I haven't had any problems for a while..

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I'm in my 30's. I haven't been carded since I was 16. My life partner, who is the same age as I am, gets carded all the time... he even gets carded when we're both in line together at the liquor store buying a six-pack of hard cider *together*. Go figure.


On the other hand, I recently bribed a bartender $5 to card my mother on her 60th birthday. She was thrilled.

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Heather
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I get carded ALL the time, and I'm 30.

Strangely, I didn't start getting carded all the time until AFTER I was over 21.

Some of that may because of what Wild was saying: I don't wear business suits. I have crazy hair. I have blue eyes and freckles, and I'm short and small.

Honestly, at this point, I take it as a compliment.


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When I was younger I used to take being carded as an insult. I was quite sensitve about such things. I occasionally get carded now and don't mind it all.

A funny thing happened a few months ago that made my sis and me laugh. She is younger than me, but is always assumed to be the older one. We took the train from Toronto to Montreal. The conductor asked her if she was a student becuase she could have a gotten a better rate if she was one. He just passed by me without comment. We guessed that I don't look young enough to be a student, but she does. So, for the first time ever someone though she was younger than me. She still brags about it and, of course, I let her.


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quote:
Originally posted by starpoet:
IOne reason might be a fact of life: at 16 or 17 a girl is normally more mature than a guy, both physically and emotionally and is a lot less likely to cause trouble at a club than an underage boy (for any number of cultural and hormonal reasons).

but still it is against the law <in England at least> to serve an adult alkohol if they are under 18 <or 16 if eating aparently> and you can only get into clubs if you are over 18, unless they are doing some under 18s' night type thingy, so dose it realy matter if they are more mature or less likely to cause "trouble" as you put it, when you get down to it it is still a crime and also frawd on your part for deciving the club owner
this aside I have been able to get into clubs since I was 16 and being a young boy it was fantastic
but now i am 18 I get carded nerly every time I go to a club
this, to me atleast, seems a bit odd!
oh well, life gose on!
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quote:
Originally posted by Miz Scarlet:
I get carded ALL the time, and I'm 30.

Strangely, I didn't start getting carded all the time until AFTER I was over 21.


That might be because recently they have been getting a lot stricter about enforcement of drinking and smoking age. 3 years ago when I was 13 I could buy cigarettes or alcohol with no problem. Now I'm 16 and I get carded all the time. This is in New York City, I'm not sure if they are doing this everywhere.


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Heather
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Add to this that here in Saint paul and Minneapolis, a passport (which is what I have always used for ID, because it is international) is now no longer an aacceptable form of identification. So, restaurants which serve alchohol now card at the door, and I can't get into a good many of them, since they will only accept state ID.

I've gone into a myriad or tirades about how I'm 30, for crying out loud, and a citizen of the U.S. not Minnesota, which is a state, not a bleedin' country of it's own, but it doesn't seem to matter much.


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woohoo!

first of all, I'm now 18...

second of all, Miz Scarlet, I agree...I always use my passport as my ID, and I've been questioned heavily about it...now I don't know what I'm going to do because I just moved (today!) and I got an ID from my home state...we'll see...

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The silliest thing that happened to me was that I wasn't allowed to go into a pub because my license (well, learners permit actually, but it's still legally valid photo ID) had expired. Like I could go back to being under 18 (Note that 18 is the legal age for drinking in Australia).

I think though, that in such cases it's the buisness policy that you have to blame rather than the bouncer. The bouncer is just an employee who risks getting fired if they don't adhere to the guidelines, no matter how stupid those guidelines are. I must say, however, that those are pretty stupid guidelines- what are international tourists supposed to do? Or maybe they accept overseas passports- people are loony.


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For the longest time I didn't have any proper government-issued ID. I don't drive, so I don't have a license, and passports aren't easy to get. So for a few years I was using my government-issued Health Card as photo ID, and now liquor stores won't take it anymore. It doesn't matter much anyways... since I hardly ever drank in the past, and now that I'm pregnant... I can't drink at all.

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bettie
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Reading this topic has my blood boiling because as a Canadian when I visit the USA I obviously don't have any state regulated cards. To get into a bar my husband and I basically have throw a fit, call the manager. etc...Not fun at all. Geez, he is 32 and I'm 29.
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