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Miss Thang
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I know that the tanning booth is bad bad bad, but my friend tried to justify it, saying that 20 minutes in a tanning booth with sunblock is the same as 20 minutes in the real sun on a sunny day with the same sunblock. I know she's wrong, I know it! But I don't know the actual facts so I couldn't say anything! Somebody tell me why she's wrong!
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lemming
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Well, I don't know if it's wrong or not. But I do know that knowing what we do about tanning and skin cancer at this point, it's stupid. Seriously. And there aren't very many things I would stick my neck out and say are stupid on these boards.

UV rays are not more concentrated (as that's not really possible) but are more direct in a tanning booth than outside in the sunlight. With a booth, you can have a specific expectation of the amount of UV rays you will receive in a given time, because bulbs are used and it is a direct exposure (not reflected off sand or concrete or water). Outside, you would probably receive much less direct exposure as shade and reflection cause varience of the amount of UV rays received.

Does this help?

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Ashy
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http://www.fda.gov/cdrh/tanning.html http://www.sciam.com/news/020602/2.html
And you can find tons of articles besides these.

By the way, since tanning beds were invented only 20-30 years ago, it's been difficult to get really solid studies on the likeliness of developing cancer/skin disease over time if you use tanning beds. But now, it has been proven that yes, your risk of skin cancer increases A LOT. Also, radiation specifically tends to damage the reproductive system, the eyes, the nervous system, and the skin. Tanning salons sometimes give you glasses to put over your eyes, but the rest is exposed, right?

Furthermore, most sunblocks do not protect against UVA rays. Tanning beds primarily use UVA rays (UVB is the primary source of burning) http://www.thirdage.com/features/healthy/skin/sb01.html

It's really, really difficult to find full spectrum (protection against UVA and UVB) sunscreen. Look for avobenzone, titanium dioxide, and zinc oxide in your sunscreen if possible. Keep in mind that wearing a full spectrum sunscreen doesn't mean you should go outside and see if you burn, though.

I personally hope that tanning beds will be sued out of existence by the time I'm older. Good riddance.

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i live in tanning booths and in the sun during the summer i love having a tan i feel like i look better with color in my face.. although i know the effects of the tanning salon are just as bad if not more worse than being in the sun on a day with uv rays of 10.. as for the timing... if you go to a salon that has new lights that means that 15 minutes in a bed is = to about 30 minutes un the sun on a high uv day... if they do not have new lights in the bed than 15 minutes us like 45 minutes in the sun... when you go to a salon please make sure that it is clean and also that you let them tell you how long to go in for they are working there to help you so please be outspoken and ask questions
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With all due respect to those of you who use tanning beds...

...I think tanning beds are a *lazy* way of getting a tan. If you're going to get a tan, go outside and do something you *love* to do. Play volleyball in the sand, go swimming with your friends...

For heaven's sakes, don't just sit there and tan!!!! The whole thought of it just makeks me *cringe*!!


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Ashy
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destiny,
Have you ever tried self tanning? Self tanning can give you the same tan as UV rays, but without harmful radiation.

Seriously, I can't recommend tanning booths in the same way that I cannot recommend tobacco. You have to pay to be in a tanning booth which bombards your skin, reproductive organs, and nervous system with harmful radiation. Also, since you go to tanning booths in order to improve the appearance of the skin, using tanning booths is really doing the opposite--sun damage can cause premature aging, not to mention cancer.

Have you ever heard of Bridgette Bardot? She used to be considered one of the most beautiful movie actresses in the 50s-60s, and she worshipped the sun. Now she looks kind of like Yoda, except not green, from sun exposure (and age, of course)

So maybe you could save some cash and invest in some self tanners, eh? We have a thread about this in body and soul: http://www.scarleteen.com/forum/Forum1/HTML/000688.html

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Heather
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Two words: Leather Bag.

Honestly, even if you manage to bypass skin cancer, what you have to ask yourself is if you really do want to spend the latter half of your life looking like an old leather bag. Because if you're "tanning" and getting tons of unprotected sun exposure to darken your skin, you are very likely to look just that way.

Any dermatologist will tell you that nearly ALL premature skin aging comes from unprotected sun exposure.

It ain't pretty, gals. You may like how it makes you look now, but do remember that you won't look how you look now for most of your life. Leather bag. Just think about it.

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alaska
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let me add a few words here.

like heather said, even if you bypass skin cancer, you’ll end up with leather bag skin.
however, just like heather said not everyone will be able to bypass skin cancer.

currently, 4 people that i am close to have or have recently had skin cancer. you might think a “strange mole” that gets removed as soon as you notice it is nothing to worry about, but honeys, skin cancer is real cancer. say that again: real cancer. cancer that you can avoid.
stay out of the sun and use sun screen, it’s as easy as that.

my pal jill was diagnosed with basal cell carcinoma in 2000. she’s 22 years old and an aussie, which means she’s been raised being slathered in sun screen. unfortunately that wasn’t the case not when she was very young, a fact her docs claim, was what caused her to get skin cancer at such a young age.
she noticed a strange pink bubbly pimple by the side of her mouth that wouldn’t go away. turns out it wasn’t a pimple but basal cell carcinoma. she had an operation to remove it, and the surgeons had to make a very very large incision from the side of her nose all the way down lower than the corner of her mouth. in order to get a good looking scar –which was, after all, right in the middle of her face, she had to give up on talking for several weeks after the op.

my uncle has melanoma, which is the most malignant form of skin cancer. he’s had a couple of them removed, and still doesn’t realize it’s real cancer. melanoma is a tricky cancer: it grows very deeply, very quickly, and once the growth reaches low enough to get to a major blood vessel, you can end up with metastases all over the place, particularly the brain. i’ve seen melanoma of the brain in a plastination exhibit, where they had a cut through the brain of a deceased: melanoma looks just like a layperson imagines cancer looks like: black.
my uncle was always one who spend lots of time outdoors, who spend all his summers in the mediterranean and never wore sunscreen. encouraged by my aunt, he also visited tanning beds, because the tan made him look so “healthy”. he always sported a dark tan, as long as i can remember. he didn’t look too healthy when I saw him after his last op.
the removal of his most recent melanoma a few weeks back involved 2 ops, and 40 stitches behind his ear, where the melanoma was located. he had to wear a drainage tube for 10 days, because the wound got infected, and was bed bound for a good 2 ½ weeks.
he still isn’t seeing a doc who’s specialised in skin cancer and refuses to have a scan done to see whether the melanoma has not yet spread.

my cousin, my uncle’s daughter, who’s super blond and very light coloured, recently had her first melanoma removed on her calf. she’s 26. on a recent discussion on the matter, she told her father that he was never a good example for her when she was a kid.

one of my mothers employees was diagnosed with basal cell carcinoma on her lower back last year. she’s scandinavian, and when she had surgery for her skin cancer, in order to be able to get it all and remove enough tissue, the docs had to make a very huge u shaped scar on her back. if i remember it correctly, she had more than 70 stitches. the scar looks a whole lot like a shark bite. – but in all honesty, she worries less about that scar, but more about another bout with skin cancer.

you know, you can avoid the scars from the ops, and the worry about new skin cancer, and the worries about metastases in your brain:
just do not tan naturally. check your moles regularly. wear sunscreen every single day.

I can understand why people want to look tan, it’s supposed to be the “healthy thing”. hey even i want to look tan in summer. but if you want to look tan, use fake tanners. yup, those are a bit of work, but in all honesty, what are 30 minutes sitting around drying and maybe some streaks while you learn how to get the best results, compared to permanent skin damage, skin cancer and leathery type skin? todays fake tanners rock: they dry quickly, they look natural, they don’t stink as badly anymore. so if you want tan, go that way. (and check this article at ym : tan in a can for the how-to). As I type right now, my fake tan is drying. hooray.

if you still prefer tanning beds, i recommend the following: for a turn off, look at the people behind the counter at your local tanning salon. see the leather skin heather mentioned.
do you want to spend money to get that type of skin on *top* of the cancer risk? doubt it.

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yes i have tried self tanners and many of them as a matter of fact and they dont work with my skin color..they turn me orange and i get all pealy and everything and also to regards to what someone else said...if u can get a tan in the winter in Nj let me know how other than tanning beds..
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There are lots and lots of different brands of self-tanners, many of which are designed for different skin colors. So it shouldn't be impossible to find one which works for you and doesn't turn you orange.

But if you can't, then you have a choice between "looking a bit pale" and "permanent skin damage and risk of cancer" (personally, I know which I'd choose ...).

And let's not forget that being "pale and mysterious" can also be beautiful in its own way .


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Heather
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quote:
Originally posted by destiny4514:
regards to what someone else said...if u can get a tan in the winter in Nj let me know how other than tanning beds..

The point is Destiny, in the same way that no one here is going to tell someone alternate ways to smoke to end up with lung cancer, or ways to have unprotected sex, no one is going to tell anyone ways to get a tan when it simply is unsafe to do so. And that very much includes tanning beds and being in the sun without adequate sun protection.

Considering tanning is all about vanity, and nothing else, to begin with, I think it would be worth considering what's really been said here, especially if your looks -- and your health -- are important to you. After all, how do you think you might feel at forty if simply being less than tan makes you feel insecure now? Especially when there is no way to "fix" sun damage? What are you going to do then?

That said, I don't really think there is anything else left to be said -- how you risk your health and your looks long-term is really a choice only you can make. But we're not going to endorse intentionally ruining both in any way here at Scarleteen.


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I suggest everyone go to this article. It provides a lot of very, very useful information about tanning beds, tanning, and sefl-tanning.
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